Members Geoff Grace Posted July 12, 2007 Members Share Posted July 12, 2007 It's a process thing. You don't begin with your conclusions--writing is not so much expressing what you think and feel as discovering what you think and feel, and if you BEGIN with your thesis, you've circumvented the process of discovery and protected yourself against the realization that you might not actaully think what you think you think...heh..what? Creative process, pop psychology blather, but I do take it semi-seriously. Well put, John; and I share your preference when it comes to longer forms of creativity, such as screenplays and novels. On the other hand, music can make its emotional point without the aid of lyrics; and when you add lyrics, you can make an immediate impact in a way that you can't in those other art forms. Because of this strength, I sometimes prefer a raw, unadulterated musical statement. But that's me. Best, Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted July 12, 2007 Members Share Posted July 12, 2007 Also, can't you begin writing, whether by pen or "writing on the mic", and have it eventually morph into something that you didn't initially intend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted July 12, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 12, 2007 well it seems im somewhat wrong, at least on the collegiate level, seems there has been a huge interest and change of majors into poli-sci. HOPEFULLY for the right reasons and not to become another bought out politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the stranger Posted July 13, 2007 Members Share Posted July 13, 2007 The current parameters by which a current corporation operates is inherently unethical and morally wrong as a human being. It's not tripe. It's not a free market, I know that. I vote Libertarian, I think that should demonstrate I don't have some prejudice against capitalism. There is a difference between capitalism and slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted July 13, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 13, 2007 oddly, general population are more of slaves in america than not. not SLAVES, but slaves to work, to debt, to taxes/government, to healthcare, to life. some have enough mind to escape it and break through... but not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted July 13, 2007 Members Share Posted July 13, 2007 I think I'd rather try and muddle through our capitalistic society than be chained to a bed, forced to have sex with whoever slimeball walks through the door, and knowing that if I escape, my family might be killed or tortured. But I'm sensitive that way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chipmcdonald Posted July 17, 2007 Members Share Posted July 17, 2007 Free Satpal Ram - Asian Dub Foundation Mumia's Song - Anti FlagWake Up - GoldfingerAmerican Idiot - Green DayCocaine Socialism - PulpRefuse/Resist - Sepultura (a bit old now, admittedly)BYOB - System of a Down These are not modern day equivalents to the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan et al. Then there's those bands like REM, U2, Coldplay and the Dixie Chicks who've used their positions to talk about politics. Dixie Chicks have, definitely. About the only ones, IMO. REM - Stipe and co. play the line of being "abstruse in a cool and exclusive way": they never just come out and say anything. U2 - Bono seems to have his heart in the right place, but his wallet seems to be close by as well and doing things like hanging out with King George doesn't impress me. Coldplay - I don't know what Chris Martin has done, but at the same time I know how big they are and know of no political affiliation - which is sort of the point. No one is *really* hanging it out there that could make a difference. Sheryl Crow kinda is - but she's done it under the radar. I want to hear a real, in your face anti-war/anti Bush fascism pop song from her, forced out as a single: I don't see that happening, I don't see the label allowing her even if she wanted to. There's too much at stake for the artists involved today, the media/corporation control it. It's too late, They have won. It's starting to almost not bother me anymore; Diebold controls the elections, CNN is now apparently completely (and very discreetly/cleverly) controlled by the Powers that Be (what a clever ruse, "the Left Wing Media!!!" - when it's NEVER been about left/right, but just corporate influence).... No, all of this is superfluous: people now, as a herd, are completely sedated with being hypnotized by pleasant, cost effective bulk entertainment, along with the appearance of Real Consumerism. There's no draft, and people are too comfortable, AND controlled. They've won, and for myself the trick appears to be "How to Get By in the World As it's Ended Up". That's the only thing. probably some of the artists had ulterior motives behind "going political", It's tired. Hardcore bands have played the edgy political card for so long it's now passe to the point where there's the ridiculously absurd irony of non-nazi right wing hardcore bands... it doesn't matter anymore. People are too comfortable. Things might get bad soon. The cost of living is sneaking up; energy costs a lot now, the final consolidation of a lot of industries means we're seeing prices creep up now that competition has effectively been eliminated in most markets. Food production is going to continue to get more and more costly, and there's going to be more catastrophes - combined with some sort of singularity catastrophic event I'm afraid. ... and I'm not sure, even then, it's going to have any galvanizing effect, because of the control of media and "free speech" these days. So I don't blame anyone. What's happened has happened. It sucks and I'd rather not think about it and figure out how to live through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cry Logic Posted July 17, 2007 Members Share Posted July 17, 2007 I want to hear a real, in your face anti-war/anti Bush fascism pop song from her, forced out as a single: I don't see that happening Cheryl may not've done it but Pink has. Her song , "Dear Mr. President" is all the things you ask for in the quote above...... Damn fine protest song aimed right at G W Bush's face.... It's been a hit all around the planet (except USA) Pink is one of the few who're prepared to put their mouth where their money is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geoff Grace Posted July 17, 2007 Members Share Posted July 17, 2007 No one is *really* hanging it out there that could make a difference. Sheryl Crow kinda is - but she's done it under the radar. I want to hear a real, in your face anti-war/anti Bush fascism pop song from her, forced out as a single: I don't see that happening, I don't see the label allowing her even if she wanted to. Chip, this isn't exactly what you asked for, but you may be interested anyway: Living With War Best, Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chipmcdonald Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 Chip, this isn't exactly what you asked for, but you may be interested anyway:Living With War Yeah, I've heard that.... but.... Neil isn't exactly a "new, high profile artist"... I like it's rawness: he does lay it out there. Strangely, not much was made of it. In fact, it's quite telling that the same generation comes back around to do it again - inlieu of the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nice keetee Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 :thu:We are due for something new to break in musical / political arena. I hope. Ha, I guess I still have hope, I thought it was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Super 8 Posted July 19, 2007 Members Share Posted July 19, 2007 Cheryl may not've done it but Pink has.Her song , "Dear Mr. President" is all the things you ask for in the quote above......Damn fine protest song aimed right at G W Bush's face....It's been a hit all around the planet (except USA)Pink is one of the few who're prepared to put their mouth where their money is... Actually, I thought it was kinda lame. A few hot button issues strung together and a few cheap shots at Bush. It gets the crowd going, but it's not the kind of stuff that leaves you thinking. Pink is definitely no Dylan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wide Posted July 19, 2007 Members Share Posted July 19, 2007 Pink is one of the few who're prepared to put their mouth where their money is... That sounds like who're behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted July 20, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 20, 2007 It gets the crowd going, but it's not the kind of stuff that leaves you thinking. Pink is definitely no Dylan. you need a bit of both i think. songs that get people off their ass [even if they dont know why], and songs that make you think about certain situations. at least if anything, the current administration made green day finally put out a punk album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chipmcdonald Posted July 20, 2007 Members Share Posted July 20, 2007 Chip, this isn't exactly what you asked for, but you may be interested anyway:Living With War Actually, you may find this amusing: ... although for me it's a little too close to the reality of where I live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geoff Grace Posted July 20, 2007 Members Share Posted July 20, 2007 Actually, you may find this amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZgDVx2gZUI... although for me it's a little too close to the reality of where I live... Buy as many copies of this video as you can and send it to me... Best,Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted July 20, 2007 Members Share Posted July 20, 2007 ... what the {censored} is going on? Same as always: "Finnish guy teaches how to disco" "Baby Come Back"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PIJwDz4Qv0 "The Budget"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted July 20, 2007 Members Share Posted July 20, 2007 Or should I say: Same procedure as every year? "Dinner For One"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsdc1krl6w . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HCarlH Posted July 20, 2007 Members Share Posted July 20, 2007 From Kevin Gilbert (R.I.P.) ....one of my favorite musicians and is my favorite lyricist. From his album, Thud. Goodness Gracious Goodness Gracious is there nothing left to say? When the ones that get to keep looking are the ones that look away It's pabulum for the sleepers in the cult of brighter days Goodness Gracious at the mercy of the crooks We're broke and stroking vegetables and there's way too many cooks In every pot a pink slip, in every mouth a hook Goodness Gracious I'm not listening anymore Cause the spooks are in the White House and they've justified a war So wake me when they notify we're gonna fight some more Goodness Gracious not many people care Concern is getting scarcer true compassion really rare I can see it in our faces, I can feel it in the air Goodness Gracious me. Goodness Gracious my generation's lost They burned down all our bridges before we had a chance to cross Is it the winter of our discontent or just an early frost?Goodness Gracious of apathy I sing The baby boomers had it all and wasted everything Now recess is almost over and they won't get off the swing Goodness Gracious we came in at the end No sex that isn't dangerous, no money left to spend We're the cleanup crew for parties we were too young to attend Goodness Gracious me. Goodness Gracious my grandma used to say The world's a scary place, things were different in her day What horrors will be commonplace when my hair starts to gray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted July 21, 2007 Members Share Posted July 21, 2007 Someone somewhere posted about today's bands not really doing much politically even though there's so much outrage of the current administration. It's been difficult to think of artists doing that, but I'll add a couple to the mix. The new NIN CD and Green Day, if they haven't already been mentioned. One could probably say, "Well, those acts aren't all that NEW"...and that'd probably be right.... But look, I tried!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the stranger Posted July 22, 2007 Members Share Posted July 22, 2007 This information is impossible to believe for Americans who don't read the paper.I purposefully don't read the paper. Reading the paper is part of the problem. The kinds of horror you guys are referring to don't get any real coverage in the mainstream news...just subversive propaganda and subterfuge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted July 22, 2007 Members Share Posted July 22, 2007 I purposefully don't read the paper. Reading the paper is part of the problem. The kinds of horror you guys are referring to don't get any real coverage in the mainstream news...just subversive propaganda and subterfuge. I've read about this multi-billion dollar slave trade issue in the LA Weekly, LA Times, and Rolling Stone Magazine. In a later issue of Rolling Stone, they also published a letter from me thanking them for running the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the stranger Posted July 22, 2007 Members Share Posted July 22, 2007 Cool. That's makes me feel a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Super 8 Posted July 23, 2007 Members Share Posted July 23, 2007 Cool. That's makes me feel a bit better.Oh course, Ken could just be part of the machine trying to get you to buy in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted July 23, 2007 Members Share Posted July 23, 2007 I could be.....mwhooohahahahahaha!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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