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  • 185 counterfeit guitars valued at $1 million seized at Jersey City bulk mail center

    If they caught this many in one bust, how many are out there? I've read articles saying seasoned pro's can be fooled on one hand while some are so cheesy and shoddy they wouldn't fool anyone. I saw a few pics where a "Gibson J50", sat beside a "Martin", both counterfeit, but the pics looked pretty convincing.

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    Cheesy? Shoddy?

    What are you talking about?

    They were valued at over 5 grand each.
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    Lets face it- today's GOP is all about the richest one percent exploiting the dumbest fifty percent.

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    • #3
      I've seen some damn convincing Gibson fakes. They're good enough to make me afraid to consider buying a used Gibby. I'll admit I know little to nothing about Gibson acoustics.

      OTOH, I haven't yet seen a fake Martin that could fool anyone who bothers to look just a bit closely.

      BTW, the value of a hundred dollar bill is a hundred bucks. The value of a counterfeit Franklin is considerably less, regardless of how well made it is.
      Last edited by FretFiend.; 05-12-2014, 07:13 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by FretFiend. View Post
        I've seen some damn convincing Gibson fakes. They're good enough to make me afraid to consider buying a used Gibby. I'll admit I know little to nothing about Gibson acoustics.

        OTOH, I haven't yet seen a fake Martin that could fool anyone who bothers to look just a bit closely.

        BTW, the value of a hundred dollar bill is a hundred bucks. The value of a counterfeit Franklin is considerably less, regardless of how well made it is.
        Thinking the same thing.
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        • #5
          I almost bought a counterfeit Les Paul in a pawn shop some time back. The guy was gonna sell it to me for $1000 and I was sucker enough to bite. I admit I was fooled. His wife, who I now respect as an honest person, happened through the store and informed me it was counterfeit. Stopped the deal cold, of course. Before I left, she showed me a letter from the Gibson people that denounced the instrument as being fake. Another individual had purchased it and eventually realized that it was not legit. The letter basically stated that it was an illegal instrument and advised them against sale. After I looked at it, I began to notice oddities in the finish work, primarily binding. It was for the most part well put together and sounded just fine, but not up to the standards that you'd expect on a "real" Les Paul. Needless, to say, I don't visit that shop anymore.

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          • #6
            There are US agents combing the docks where container ships arrive who routinely search for counterfeit trade of all types. Gucci (bags) is a huge business. Women will typically fall victim to "designer" goods at steep discounts making them the target market for fakes. The agents are experts at spotting fakes. It was an interesting show.
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            Electric guitar tone is influenced by the wood species directly associated with the string-to-pick-up relationship, and particularly with the species Balderd Ash.

            Geeks go here:
            http://www.jedistar.com/jedistar_vintage_guitar_dating_r3.htm

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            • #7
              Does anyone know where these come from?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by monstermaker View Post
                Does anyone know where these come from?
                Pacific Rim for sure. Specifically, probably China. If you want to know who specifically makes them (i.e., Samick, Cort, etc.) that's anyone's guess.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by monstermaker View Post
                  Does anyone know where these come from?
                  Sears.

                  Let's face it, that's the 64K question isn't it? If I had an accurate answer for you I'd also be having suits knocking at my door within the fortnight. My theory is they're made by the very people identified on their headstocks. What better way to advertise than letting the talking heads do it for free and make you out to be a premier player in the biz? Just a theory.
                  Last edited by Idunno; 05-14-2014, 07:41 PM.
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                  Concerned about future generations? Read through these sites - Molten Salt Reactors Explained.

                  http://www.the-weinberg-foundation.o...Foundation.pdf

                  http://thoriumenergyalliance.com/

                  Electric guitar tone is influenced by the wood species directly associated with the string-to-pick-up relationship, and particularly with the species Balderd Ash.

                  Geeks go here:
                  http://www.jedistar.com/jedistar_vintage_guitar_dating_r3.htm

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by monstermaker View Post
                    Does anyone know where these come from?
                    Mainland China. It's a communist country. Copyrights, patents, laws of other nations, and even business ethics are irrelevant to them.
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                    • #11
                      FF is right. Out the front door go goods made for US manufacturers... out the back door go counterfeits that end up on the global market to the highest bidders.
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                      • #12
                        Hopefully they don't turn up at dealers. I'm not sure I could tell the difference.

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                        • #13
                          Real, fake, what difference does it make? If the fakes are reasonable facsimiles of their namesakes then all is not too far afoul. For all intents and purposes, the guy sporting the genuine article may be, in fact, the one who's been duped. I know I'm not keen enough of eye and ear to tell the difference.
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                          Concerned about future generations? Read through these sites - Molten Salt Reactors Explained.

                          http://www.the-weinberg-foundation.o...Foundation.pdf

                          http://thoriumenergyalliance.com/

                          Electric guitar tone is influenced by the wood species directly associated with the string-to-pick-up relationship, and particularly with the species Balderd Ash.

                          Geeks go here:
                          http://www.jedistar.com/jedistar_vintage_guitar_dating_r3.htm

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                          • #14
                            It's easy to make a counterfeit Martin especially when Martin sells kits that are copies of their popular models. If you can counterfeit the Martin logo on the head you can make one that is pretty convincing.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bigald18 View Post
                              It's easy to make a counterfeit Martin especially when Martin sells kits that are copies of their popular models. If you can counterfeit the Martin logo on the head you can make one that is pretty convincing.

                              Big Al
                              This is one method of copying. Another is to carefully disassemble a few samples and then duplicate the parts. I think I can do a reasonable job of it without much difficulty. The band arrested for selling fakes (in another thread on this topic) got the headstock logos down convincingly and that's the litmus test detail after the construction.

                              So, who here actually thinks they have the genuine article and not a fake? Can you prove authenticity? I know I can't.
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                              Concerned about future generations? Read through these sites - Molten Salt Reactors Explained.

                              http://www.the-weinberg-foundation.o...Foundation.pdf

                              http://thoriumenergyalliance.com/

                              Electric guitar tone is influenced by the wood species directly associated with the string-to-pick-up relationship, and particularly with the species Balderd Ash.

                              Geeks go here:
                              http://www.jedistar.com/jedistar_vintage_guitar_dating_r3.htm

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