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  • Eesh, that left a gross taste in my mouth.


    Yep, and I've come to the exact same conclusion as that guy; that I can build (or assemble from raw parts) a better guitar myself than what comes off any production line. Craftsmanship is what separates an OK guitar from a fantastic one.

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    • A Gibson may not be worth 5 to 10 times what a Epi is worth but it still smokes an Epi.

      If I see a person on stage playing an Epi LP, my general impression is that either he's poor or that he'd rather spend all his money on tattoos.


      If I see a guy onstage I listen to the music he's making. If he sounds good it kinda doesn't matter what he's playing, if he sounds like crap then it might matter what he's playing, but far more likely its him and not the gear. And if I don't like what I'm hearing and it's the gear and not the player, it's FAR more likely to be the amp end of things then the fact he's playing a Epi and not a Gibby.

      IMO
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      <img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Originally Posted by <strong>ashasha</strong>
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      • More bull****************.


        Agree.
        Complete and utter "That's what everyone says on the internet" bull****************.

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        • If I see a guy onstage I listen to the music he's making. If he sounds good it kinda doesn't matter what he's playing, if he sounds like crap then it might matter what he's playing, but far more likely its him and not the gear. And if I don't like what I'm hearing and it's the gear and not the player, it's FAR more likely to be the amp end of things then the fact he's playing a Epi and not a Gibby.

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          this! the only people that pay attention to the names on the headstocks at a gig are other guitar players. the non-musicians in the in audience don't give a rats ass what's on the headstock as long as it sounds good.
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          • Agree.
            Complete and utter "That's what everyone says on the internet" bull****************.


            Yep. Though, that said- the Koreans did do a good job with the Epis (I have a Korean Epi solid top acoustic) and the quality took a hit with that first wave from China if I recall, but the (recent) new stuff is great!
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            • It's my Moby Dick or something.

              I'll be here waiting for all the funny jokes from that one.


              heh heh.

              You said Moby.
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              • If I see a guy onstage I listen to the music he's making. If he sounds good it kinda doesn't matter what he's playing, if he sounds like crap then it might matter what he's playing, but far more likely its him and not the gear. And if I don't like what I'm hearing and it's the gear and not the player, it's FAR more likely to be the amp end of things then the fact he's playing a Epi and not a Gibby.

                IMO


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                • What, you're into "indigent rock" now?



                  Ha! Nope, I just do my listening with my ears, if it sounds good, it IS good.
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                  • Ha! Nope, I just do my listening with my ears, if it sounds good, it IS good.




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                    • If Epi's used better wood, electronics, and nicer materials, they'd be as good as Gibsons, just made overseas. As it is, they're pretty good guitars that need some work and upgrades, and even then I'm not sure I'd bond with one. Then again, I haven't bonded with a guitar in years.
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                      • Yep. Though, that said- the Koreans did do a good job with the Epis (I have a Korean Epi solid top acoustic) and the quality took a hit with that first wave from China if I recall, but the (recent) new stuff is great!


                        glad to hear the new stuff is great, i didint know that.
                        all i know is my korean ones where great and the few chinese ones ive owned sucked ass...but hey thats my opinion
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                        • One last thought on this issue: If you really are a quality-monger who is willing to pay more for a guitar that's properly made, why would you unequivocally back Gibson, of all companies? If the mountain of anecdotal evidence isn't quite enough to convince you there is a larger, overarching problem with Gibson's factory, first-hand testimonials from employees might give you a clearer picture:

                          THIS GUY from TDPRI was admonished for doing good work instead of fast work (let that sink in... he was IN TROUBLE for doing a GOOD JOB) and wound up resigning in disgrace.

                          Now I'm not quite a nit-picker and I may be more open to slight problems than other posters here but not at that price point and if I WERE a big backer of quality craftsmanship above all else, I'd think twice before giving a company like THAT my money.


                          Yeah, here's the post from that guy who used to work for Gibson:



                          "I used to work in Final Assembly @ the Gibson Plant in Nashville. I left my own home improvement & painting business to "Go Make Guitars". My wife and I thought I'd found my dream job. When I started they said I'd have 3 months to work my way up to doing 21 guitars in an 8hour day. I started right off with 18 the first day, and pretty much stayed there for 3 months. During this time, I observed that most of the "seasoned' builders were doing 21-24 guitars a day...only to have 5 or 6 of them rejected and returned to them the next day. From time to time, during my lunch break, I would pick u a random guitar, only to find loose tuning keys, electronics, screws, etc...

                          I was constantly being urged to build faster, and not to take too much time doing the final buffing and assembly. I asked "What about quality...people like me are paying thousands of dollars for these guitars". I was told that over 85% of the guitars we built were going overseas and that the #'s were what mattered most to the owner of the company.

                          When I was called in for my 3 month review, I was urged to get my #'s up. I responded by asking what my reject rate was. I was told I had the best reject rate on the line...maybe 3 in 3 months. but they insisted on getting the magic 21#. I told my supervisor that I was a craftsman and had left my own business to come and build quality guitars, but if #'s are more important than quality, I'd have to resign...Which I eventually did...

                          I realize it's probably not any better in any of the other guitar manufacturing plants, but I lost a great deal of respect for Gibson because of my experience.

                          On the up side...I now know that I can definitely build a better guitar than buying a "factory-made" one from any one of the "Big Boy's". Heck, most any of us here can! JMHO"





                          Pretty freakin' sad really.

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                          • Yeah, here's the post from that guy who used to work for Gibson:


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                            • Pretty freakin' sad really.


                              I've heard similar stories. I have to say that the first thought that popped into my mind when I read the title was, No, but PRS does. I just couldn't hold out any longer...
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                              • Yeah, here's the post from that guy who used to work for Gibson:

                                "I used to work in Final Assembly @ the Gibson Plant in Nashville. I left my own home improvement & painting business to "Go Make Guitars". My wife and I thought I'd found my dream job. When I started they said I'd have 3 months to work my way up to doing 21 guitars in an 8hour day. I started right off with 18 the first day, and pretty much stayed there for 3 months. During this time, I observed that most of the "seasoned' builders were doing 21-24 guitars a day...only to have 5 or 6 of them rejected and returned to them the next day. From time to time, during my lunch break, I would pick u a random guitar, only to find loose tuning keys, electronics, screws, etc...

                                I was constantly being urged to build faster, and not to take too much time doing the final buffing and assembly. I asked "What about quality...people like me are paying thousands of dollars for these guitars". I was told that over 85% of the guitars we built were going overseas and that the #'s were what mattered most to the owner of the company.

                                When I was called in for my 3 month review, I was urged to get my #'s up. I responded by asking what my reject rate was. I was told I had the best reject rate on the line...maybe 3 in 3 months. but they insisted on getting the magic 21#. I told my supervisor that I was a craftsman and had left my own business to come and build quality guitars, but if #'s are more important than quality, I'd have to resign...Which I eventually did...

                                I realize it's probably not any better in any of the other guitar manufacturing plants, but I lost a great deal of respect for Gibson because of my experience.

                                On the up side...I now know that I can definitely build a better guitar than buying a "factory-made" one from any one of the "Big Boy's". Heck, most any of us here can! JMHO"

                                Pretty freakin' sad really.


                                Yeah it is very sad and it ought to be /thread for all of the Gibson QC deniers. Straight from the horse's mouth: The problems are real
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