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  • #91
    If I had my preference, I would take a Gibby and at some point I probably will get a Gibson LP. But I can't ever be convinced they are worth 5-7 times the value of an Epi because I've played many of them and still haven't found one I prefer over my 99' Epi Custom Flametop. It resonates well and plays so smoothly. I will admit that I have upgraded all of the electronics and PUs in it as well as the nut (tusq). It's my best playing guitar and I always come back to it even though I prefer Teles. But would I take a perfect Gibby LP if I could find "the right one"?

    Heck yeah.

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    • #92
      Hey... even HE said he'd play a Squier or an Epiphone if he was indigent.

      I honestly think that's the best line I've EVER read on HCEG... and I am serious!


      that's all well and good......if he could play at all
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      • #93
        usually gibsons are better though there are exceptions, i have a early 90's korean epi les paul that sounds and plays better then any gibson ive owned or played
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        • #94
          usually gibsons are better though there are exceptions, i have a early 90's korean epi les paul that sounds and plays better then any gibson ive owned or played


          So you're the jerk that bought that one from under me. I spent about 6 months trying out every Epiphone in the state and finally got tired back in like '92-93 and settled for the best one I could find. It was decent enough I suppose, but I didn't lose any sleep when I had to sell it.

          That may be part of the reason for the lack of enthusiasm about them on my part too...the frustration of passing up on my dream LP (19 years old and the guitar was $2400 back then) and just having to settle. Still haven't found a better LP than that one I missed on.

          It's my Moby Dick or something.

          I'll be here waiting for all the funny jokes from that one.
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          • #95
            A real Gibson LP is not 7 times better than an upgraded Epiphone LP. Both can play blisteringly awesome riffs in the right hands.

            I have two pieces of anecdotal evidence to prove my point:

            1. I used to own an LP copy that absolutely blasted incredible tone. Its only problem was that it was too heavy (made of plywood). It got better rock tones than my LP Studio, but

            2. I currently own a wonderful, well-made, toneful PRS that would be the pride of anyone's collection but it isn't my #1. My #1 is a Korean PRS SE with upgraded pickups.


            I'm currently playing a PRS SE over my two Gibson Les Pauls...

            But back on the topic, Epiphones are quite nice. Gibsons are usually better, but there are duds (quality control!!!!). I have some Epiphones and some Gibsons, but the only fair comparison I can make is in the Les Pauls. I have one Epi and two Gibsons. The Gibsons are played much more often - and my Epiphone plays better than most guitars. I just prefer the sound of the Gibsons.
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            • #96
              Funny that you don't hear the same thing repeatedly with Fender with the exception of the CV series Squiers. But in this case, the quality of the lower end went up, rather than the higher end going down.



              True!
              ...and the discussion always centers around LPs, just like when pre worn finishes are discussed, it's all about Fender and Gibson is never mentioned.

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              • #97
                if we're talking about les pauls i've never really been a fan of epi les pauls... but it's been quite a few years since i've played one

                i think it pays to remember there's other options out there if you don't want to spring for a gibby... i'm happy with my mij tokai

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                • #98
                  i once owned an Epiphone and it was very nice. I also once owned a Gibson and it too was very nice. I sounded just as **************** playing both of them. In almost every situation where i was playing one of my guitars, it was me that was the limiting factor.

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                  • #99
                    the thing with epiphone is that now that they are made in china they are no good, the korean ones where killer guitars but you still had to replace all the hardware because the stock hardware on most epi's is always crap.
                    my old epi les paul has sperzel locking tuners, tonepors bridge and a graphtech nut. i also swapped the pickups out for some Emg 81/85 @ 18 volts, now its a good guitar!
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                    • the thing with epiphone is that now that they are made in china they are no good


                      More bull****************.
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                      • As other have said, but perhaps not with the exact words:

                        Is a Gibson usually a better guitar than an Epiphone? Yes, unless you're comparing an Elitist or USA- Lennon "Revolution" Casino with a current production ES-330, etc.
                        Is the price difference justified by the quality/value difference between similar model Gibsons & Epiphones? No. Why do you think Elitist Les Pauls are no longer in production?
                        If you can afford it (or if you play/record professionally), is it worth the price difference to buy the Gibson? Yes (especially a good quality "used" Gibson). Unless you're talking about a Casino, a Riviera, or a mini-hum equipped Sheraton, the Epiphones are just copies of the Gibsons.
                        If you've got a tech skills to buy an Epiphone & upgrade it with better pots, pickups, etc., does that change things: Yes, if the electronics are the big issue. A modded to personal preference specs Epiphone can be better in your hands than a stock Gibson.


                        I think you're part of the way there re the Elitist Epiphones. As I see it, a big part of the problem was the marketing problem of trying to sell what most punters would view as "an expensive epiphone" with "the wrong headstock / brand". Had Gibby instead created "Gibson Japan" in the same, middle-market mould as the MIJ/CIJ or MIM Fenders, they could have been on to a winner with those. OTOH, it might well have (outside of the US, where the MIAs are unsurprisingly much more affordable and you have the 'patriotic dollar') seriously hurt the parent product in terms of sales. If you can sell an expensive, luxury lifestyle product (which is, in reality, how Gibson market the LP nowadays..... and mostly what it is, to be fair), why would you undercut yourself? I think it's a real loss to the consumer.... I'd have jumped on an Elitist at one point (but the models I really fancied were never available lefty), but I'll never buy a Gibson. No real ideological objection - simply that, as a hobbyist, I could never justify the market price.
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                        • A Gibson may not be worth 5 to 10 times what a Epi is worth but it still smokes an Epi.

                          If I see a person on stage playing an Epi LP, my general impression is that either he's poor or that he'd rather spend all his money on tattoos.
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                          • One last thought on this issue: If you really are a quality-monger who is willing to pay more for a guitar that's properly made, why would you unequivocally back Gibson, of all companies? If the mountain of anecdotal evidence isn't quite enough to convince you there is a larger, overarching problem with Gibson's factory, first-hand testimonials from employees might give you a clearer picture:

                            THIS GUY from TDPRI was admonished for doing good work instead of fast work (let that sink in... he was IN TROUBLE for doing a GOOD JOB) and wound up resigning in disgrace.

                            Now I'm not quite a nit-picker and I may be more open to slight problems than other posters here but not at that price point and if I WERE a big backer of quality craftsmanship above all else, I'd think twice before giving a company like THAT my money.

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                            • One last thought on this issue: If you really are a quality-monger who is willing to pay more for a guitar that's properly made, why would you unequivocally back Gibson, of all companies? If the mountain of anecdotal evidence isn't quite enough to convince you there is a larger, overarching problem with Gibson's factory, first-hand testimonials from employees might give you a clearer picture:

                              THIS GUY from TDPRI was admonished for doing good work instead of fast work (let that sink in... he was IN TROUBLE for doing a GOOD JOB) and wound up resigning in disgrace.

                              Now I'm not quite a nit-picker and I may be more open to slight problems than other posters here but not at that price point and if I WERE a big backer of quality craftsmanship above all else, I'd think twice before giving a company like THAT my money.


                              Eesh, that left a gross taste in my mouth.
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                              • i have heard good playing from Epiphones.. one cat i knew could make it sing... and he really liked the guiitar..
                                and i have heard real ****************, safe, guarded stale playing from Gibson historics... player will always trump gear.. given a good set up and same pups..
                                they can sound very much similar, it depends on how much refinement you need to get the sound, tone you want..

                                by a mile,,,

                                no fooking way..

                                10 yards,, perhaps half a football field.. at most...


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