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  • Is it just me, or is this sort of a:



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    • Quote Originally Posted by timmyfirst
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      I recently took a trip to a big guitar shop in London, tried a whole heap of Suhrs and wasnt blown away at all. They're impeccably built and sound great but they seem to have no soul or vibe to them. I tried a good few and i really wanted to like them but at that sort of price i want something that i bond with straight away.



      Love Andersons though, every one of them i've tried has been stunning, great build, they just feel like more of a players guitar than the Suhrs.




      I echo that statement. Suhr's have a great reputation and I've played lots of them, but besides their Reb Beach pro model, I've never been a fan. They seem to lack that certain mojo. I don't like their PU's either.



      Tom Anderson Guitars seem to be a little less common, but generally, they are better, IMO. Their pickups cut like duncans and sing like dimarzios. I played a bad cobra once, but besides that, their guitars are top notch.



      If this is a debate on quality, the best "quality" guitars are made by the Jackson Custom Shop, Caparison, Vigier and small unknown luthiers.
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      • Quote Originally Posted by LesPaulFetish
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        Took a look; do they all have zero frets?




        No. There is only a 0 fret on certain models. I'll always regret the day I passed up a used mint condition Viger Excalibur at GC. It was incredible!!
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        • I don't understand this argument. Am I the only one who thinks it's awesome that we have so much variety? You like Suhr, get one. Carvin? Great! Vigier's available too - plus a hundred others. Pick what you like and we should all be happy to have so much to choose from.



          Then on the other hand, a $50 Squier with a pickups swap and a good setup would be indistinguishable from any of the guitars you're all talking about if we could arrange a Pepsi challenge sort of thing.

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          • Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Jeff
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            I don't understand this argument. Am I the only one who thinks it's awesome that we have so much variety? You like Suhr, get one. Carvin? Great! Vigier's available too - plus a hundred others. Pick what you like and we should all be happy to have so much to choose from.



            Then on the other hand, a $50 Squier with a pickups swap and a good setup would be indistinguishable from any of the guitars you're all talking about if we could arrange a Pepsi challenge sort of thing.




            For the most part you are right. Wagdog has shows us with his two tone tests that his Squier and GFS parts Strat sound as good as his SRV Strat. But it comes down to playability. Nice guitars that are crafted down to the smallest level of detail tend to "feel" better. That allows us to "play" better sometimes. Like I said, new pickups or not, my Squier still feels like crap compared to my MIM Fender.



            About my last question, MIA Deluxe Strat vs Suhr vs. Tom Anderson (the classic strat models of course)? What do you guys think? Does the Fender feel nice enough to count as the "poor man;s" version? or is it still not in the same league? Just curious to hear from those who have played these types of guitars or who own them.
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            • Quote Originally Posted by elsupermanny14
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              About my last question, MIA Deluxe Strat vs Suhr vs. Tom Anderson (the classic strat models of course)? What do you guys think? Does the Fender feel nice enough to count as the "poor man;s" version? or is it still not in the same league? Just curious to hear from those who have played these types of guitars or who own them.




              Personally I don't think so. I've played a ton of high end guitars both from small builders and from companies like Fender and Gibson. In Fenders case they never feel like a custom guitar to me. Even the custom shop guitars (I'll live to regret this but at least I'm not playing the custom shop stage at NAMM again this year ) don't really feel like instruments from Suhr, Anderson, Performance, Tyler or any of the other small builder instruments I've tried.



              At the end of the day nobodies opinion matters but your own though. It shouldn't be "Is this guitar as good as xxxx" as much as "does this guitar make me happy to play and listen to?".
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              • Quote Originally Posted by bsman
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                Is it just me, or is this sort of a:



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                I'm afraid it means little to folks like me who are on a budget...




                I get your point but to be honest, I'm so over the "why GFS parts are so great" discussions and the "my Squier is as good as any MIA" arguments. My own Squier is crap and I have never been a fan of GFS. Not being snobby, but I wanted to see what people had to say about other instruments. I wanted to talk about something other than cheap gear for once (and not have it be about Gibson quality control).



                It's nice to see what people who have played these instruments have to say since I have yet to play one. I can go to any corner music store and play a Squier or an Epiphone, whereas as I am completely clueless on the custom boutique type guitars.
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                • Quote Originally Posted by The Rossness
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                  If this is a debate on quality, the best "quality" guitars are made by the Jackson Custom Shop, Caparison, Vigier and small unknown luthiers.




                  You obviously haven't read the customer feedback that I read a while back on Jackson Custom Shop. Now it is just Fender Custom Shop anyway.



                  Furthermore, Jackson in the 1980s was at their peak and pretty much every guitar made there was 'custom' so, it originated as a 'custom shop'. I had one and it was nice - not nicer than other guitars that I have had and not the guitar that my same era Kramer was/is (ESP Japan made parts). I have seen so many poorly cut nuts on Jackson guitars (as in one E string almost off the fingerboard) I have no idea how they ever get named as 'best' anything.



                  They do have some interesting and unique qualities though and if they 'fit' the player then the player tends to really fall for the brand - like Ibanez.
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                  • Quote Originally Posted by smorgdonkey
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                    You obviously haven't read the customer feedback that I read a while back on Jackson Custom Shop. Now it is just Fender Custom Shop anyway.



                    Furthermore, Jackson in the 1980s was at their peak and pretty much every guitar made there was 'custom' so, it originated as a 'custom shop'. I had one and it was nice - not nicer than other guitars that I have had and not the guitar that my same era Kramer was/is (ESP Japan made parts). I have seen so many poorly cut nuts on Jackson guitars (as in one E string almost off the fingerboard) I have no idea how they ever get named as 'best' anything.



                    They do have some interesting and unique qualities though and if they 'fit' the player then the player tends to really fall for the brand - like Ibanez.




                    Fender owns Jackson, but lets them run on their own for the most part. The only differences I've seen are that the custom shop won't do gibson shapes anymore- Firebird, Explorer, roundhorn V. Also the Adrian Smith model has fender single coils. Besides that, it's very much the same as it was before the Fender buyout. A lot of the old employees still work at the Jackson CS and I think Mike Eldrid now works at the fender CS.
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                      • Quote Originally Posted by elsupermanny14
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                        For the most part you are right. Wagdog has shows us with his two tone tests that his Squier and GFS parts Strat sound as good as his SRV Strat. But it comes down to playability. Nice guitars that are crafted down to the smallest level of detail tend to "feel" better. That allows us to "play" better sometimes. Like I said, new pickups or not, my Squier still feels like crap compared to my MIM Fender.




                        That's a point that bears repeating. Of course a great player can make a $250 guitar sound equally as good as a $2,500 guitar but he or she will find the more expensive guitar a lot more inspiring to play and may possibly draw stuff the player never knew he or she had.








                        About my last question, MIA Deluxe Strat vs Suhr vs. Tom Anderson (the classic strat models of course)? What do you guys think? Does the Fender feel nice enough to count as the "poor man;s" version? or is it still not in the same league? Just curious to hear from those who have played these types of guitars or who own them.



                        I only have limited experience (my #1 is a modded Am Dlx) and I've only tried Suhr and Anderson guitars in the store, but I think there's no comparison. IME, the Am Dlx is designed for those who are coming from shredder-strats since the necks are often quite thin.



                        On the other hand, smaller makers like Suhr, Anderson (I'd also add G&L here as well) not only offer a choice of neck but things you can't get on production-line Fender Strats like semi-hollow/chambered bodies. Also, I'd say the build quality is so much better with the smaller shops. To get into that territory with Fender, you really need to hit the Custom Shop and even there I've played an Anderson that waltzed all over any Fender CS model in the store. I also remember seeing a guy trying out several basses including CS models, and he eventually walked out with a used G&L simply because it was most resonant and best built.
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                        • Quote Originally Posted by Alecto
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                          That's a point that bears repeating. Of course a great player can make a $250 guitar sound equally as good as a $2,500 guitar but he or she will find the more expensive guitar a lot more inspiring to play and may possibly draw stuff the player never knew he or she had.







                          I only have limited experience (my #1 is a modded Am Dlx) and I've only tried Suhr and Anderson guitars in the store, but I think there's no comparison. IME, the Am Dlx is designed for those who are coming from shredder-strats since the necks are often quite thin.



                          On the other hand, smaller makers like Suhr, Anderson (I'd also add G&L here as well) not only offer a choice of neck but things you can't get on production-line Fender Strats like semi-hollow/chambered bodies. Also, I'd say the build quality is so much better with the smaller shops. To get into that territory with Fender, you really need to hit the Custom Shop and even there I've played an Anderson that waltzed all over any Fender CS model in the store. I also remember seeing a guy trying out several basses including CS models, and he eventually walked out with a used G&L simply because it was most resonant and best built.




                          It's funny, custom builders call chambering an option and charge you extra for it, while Gibson is raked across the coals for doing it (for free)... Guitar players
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                          • Quote Originally Posted by RaVenCAD
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                            It's funny, custom builders call chambering an option and charge you extra for it, while Gibson is raked across the coals for doing it (for free)... Guitar players




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                            • Quote Originally Posted by BigTimeFun
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                              What's the price difference between a Traditional Plus and Standard '08 again?




                              Don't know, don't care. What I DO know is that a lot of the models that are chambered were never increased because of the chambering. They just started doing it to make them lighter. The change wasn't anounced and it took Gibson a long time to admit they were doing it. It was like they were afraid people wouldn't buy a non-traditional Les Paul! :gasp:



                              My point was, on a Suhr or Anderson, chambering is a "feature".. On a Gibson, it's considered blasphemy. Cost aside, the same "feature" should not have such a double standard. Either it's good or it's bad, universally.
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                              • On a Duo-Jet, a chambered single cut is a feature and has always been that way. On a LP it's a sneaky middle of the night change in design that most buyers weren't looking for.

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