Members axegrinder Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly Smorgey: Watch some of the videos on how they are made. It's not a difficult thing if you have mechanical ability. You simply take them apart and copy them. Manufacturers do it with a lot more sophisticated products than pickups. Regards, Steadfastly Well this sounds like a great topic for the next HCEG Argument Thread Series.What you say sounds easy on paper...if you use the same magnets, bobbins, base plates, wire, and same number of winds you should have the same result. But as Smorg's logic explains, if it was that easy, none of the hand makers would survive. I won't even touch why that is the case. It has no bearing on the Suhr vs Anderson debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members smorgdonkey Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by axegrinder Well this sounds like a great topic for the next HCEG Argument Thread Series.What you say sounds easy on paper...if you use the same magnets, bobbins, base plates, wire, and same number of winds you should have the same result. But as Smorg's logic explains, if it was that easy, none of the hand makers would survive. I won't even touch why that is the case. It has no bearing on the Suhr vs Anderson debate. Yes, Steadfastly is very hard headed. It matters not what you have to say, he absorbs none of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mosiddiqi Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Pedaltones Nice! Originally Posted by frankie pajamas Wankage or not, I enjoyed that! Thanks! Originally Posted by RaVenCAD I bet he could make my $250 MIM Strat sound exactly the same. Just sayin.. Thanks! ...look, I have a Squier Classic Vibe 60's Strat that I like a lot too, and my main guitar for years has been a Fender USA Standard..nothing particularly fancy there. But, there are a number of details on the Suhr that just make it work best for me. Apart from the excellent hardware and electrics (which could all be modded for sure on a cheaper guitar), there is the compound radius neck (again, if I was building a parts-caster from scratch, this is easy enough)..but the hardest thing to quantify is the "feel"....the Suhr just "feels" better than anything else I've played. For me, it has TONS of what people call "mojo"...but you might pick it up and think "what's the big deal?..it's just a nice Strat". Price wise, in the UK, it cost about the same as a lower end Fender Custom shop..and frankly, was in a different class to any of those I tried..much more resonant and lively sounding. That's why I bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted January 3, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by aenemated james trussart's guitars are better than either; so this argument is invalid. Trussart's just a {censored}in hack welder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted January 3, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by soundcreation Sure....Yeah momose are fantastic guitars...If you want strat style guitars then I'd personally take any Navigator, Momose, Freedom guitar works, Scoop, or Van Zandt...just too name a few. Les Paul style Momose, and Navigator are the mains ones I'd look at but there are others. Other companies do more hybrid models like Crews guitars or a company called Combat. I think if I was laying out some top bills for a new shiny Strat it'd be either Momose or G&L (USA) or an "entry level" Melancon, but none should cost any more than 13-1500 USD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by skipstar59 Here's some clips using my $2100 '99 Tom Anderson Hollow Drop Top Classic:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5803803http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5736046http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=7176655http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6382397Here's some clips using my $250 PRS SE :http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6526404http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6449646http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6411222http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6346712You decide if the price of the guitar makes a big enough difference in tone.I will say that I really like the overall feel of the Anderson over the PRS SE. I haven't spent big dollars on any guitar since buying the Anderson. Only pawnshop guitars for me. Buy them cheap and fix them up. Tone is in the hands and the amp.Just my .02 There is a lot more to a great guitar than just the recorded sound it leaves behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 so it's settled then , Post'em if you got'em ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wein Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Ratae Coritanorum I think if I was laying out some top bills for a new shiny Strat it'd be either Momose or G&L (USA) or an "entry level" Melancon, but none should cost any more than 13-1500 USD lol...that's because you MAKE one's that are just as nice!But yeah the momose strat I played in Japan knocked me on my ass it was that good. I should have bought it but I don't like paying new prices either. Patience and the used game....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frankie pajamas Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by RaVenCAD I bet he could make my $250 MIM Strat sound exactly the same. Just sayin.. True, I was referring to the playing more than listening for "tone." Good players trump all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Mark Wein ok. Sweet ! the bottom one looks like Landau's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wein Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by fretless Sweet ! the bottom one looks like Landau's It's a 2002 but it's a pretty standard configuration...I think Pete Thorn has almost the same exact guitar too except for the fact that his has the ML pickups for the single coils and mine has the v60lp's. I do have a set of the ML's on order for a monstrosity I have another building making right now. If you want to see a {censored}storm here wait until I unveil that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Mark Wein It's a 2002 but it's a pretty standard configuration...I think Pete Thorn has almost the same exact guitar too except for the fact that his has the ML pickups for the single coils and mine has the v60lp's. I do have a set of the ML's on order for a monstrosity I have another building making right now. If you want to see a {censored}storm here wait until I unveil that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wein Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by fretless A friend of mine is starting a new company and since he has a CNC machine I'm able to satisfy even the wackiest of whims. It won't be done for a few months though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Mark Wein A friend of mine is starting a new company and since he has a CNC machine I'm able to satisfy even the wackiest of whims. It won't be done for a few months though... An instrument / luthier company ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wein Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by fretless An instrument / luthier company ? yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Mark Wein yeah. Cool , All the best to him and yeah details when it happens ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wein Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by fretless Cool , All the best to him and yeah details when it happens ! will do! I'm pretty excited about it and I think he'll do a great job...I'm just a very impatient person, even after ordering two Suhrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashasha Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Haven't played either and probably never will. I think that they look fantastic and I've heard great examples of both in the hands of gifted players. If I was shopping right now and had to pick it would probably be a Suhr because I like some of their configurations better, but if I had two of the exact same designs to choose from in front of me I'd have to pick which one jived with me better. So basically I provided no useful information. I do think that it's funny when people judge something based on zero personal experience or a very limited sample pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skipstar59 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly Skip, that wasn't a fair test and you used different amps for the two guitars. I liked the $250.00 PRS on three and one was tied with the Anderson but to be fair, you need to have the same song, same amp, same settings, etc. to be able to compare. I agree that most of the tone is in the amp, though. And, BTW, nice playing! Here you go. It's as close to apples & apples as I can get.Tom Anderson clips:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5085428PRS Santana SE clip:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5085346 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BigTimeFun Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'd just go Carvin, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by axegrinder Well this sounds like a great topic for the next HCEG Argument Thread Series.What you say sounds easy on paper...if you use the same magnets, bobbins, base plates, wire, and same number of winds you should have the same result. But as Smorg's logic explains, if it was that easy, none of the hand makers would survive. I won't even touch why that is the case. It has no bearing on the Suhr vs Anderson debate. How do you know they don't? You might be surprised if you took apart the coils and looked at them. Of course, no one is going to go to that expense on their own just to prove a point and sure as snow is white the manufacturers are not going to tell you. They want everyone to think that their brand is the best. Am I cynical? Yes. I've been around awhile and have been fed a lot of baloney even by companies that I worked for. How many parts are there in a coil anyway? There's not that many different ways of building them that they are all that different except for the number of winds and the winding pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bsman Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think the better brains is...are your brains a brains?Now that we've had our bit of corksniffery, can we get back to important questions like: Agile or Xaviere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members smorgdonkey Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly How do you know they don't? You might be surprised if you took apart the coils and looked at them. Of course, no one is going to go to that expense on their own just to prove a point and sure as snow is white the manufacturers are not going to tell you. They want everyone to think that their brand is the best. Am I cynical? Yes. I've been around awhile and have been fed a lot of baloney even by companies that I worked for. How many parts are there in a coil anyway? There's not that many different ways of building them that they are all that different except for the number of winds and the winding pattern. I look forward to your forthcoming line of pickups.If it was as easy as you say it is then there would be many more people making them. The fact is, I know people who have made guitars but none of them have made their pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 4, 2012 Members Share Posted January 4, 2012 Originally Posted by smorgdonkey I look forward to your forthcoming line of pickups. Will you do the marketing for me? Regards, Steadfastly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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