Members Yngtchie Blacksteen Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 They lack groove and mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rock-lobster Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by RaVenCAD All that fancy music school edumuhcation and they didn't teach you about soul and vibe? No wonder music today sucks.. You need to find yourself a Willie Brown and go hoboing.. Let me translate. I think music can have plenty of soul. A guitar, hell no. It either sounds good for what you do or it doesn't, and in either case it's your call how much soul you put into the music from there. I just can't stand when people say something like "it played and sounded good but had no mojo." IMO if it played and sounded good it's you who has no mojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BydoEmpire Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 I've never played a Tom Anderson, but I sure would like to. I have played a bunch of Suhrs, however, and two of them - the 2010 LE and a Standard Carve Archtop were by far the best two guitars I've ever played. Notes just lept out of them, they were effortless to play, super dynamic and expressive, and they sounded absolutely full and gorgeous. Simply flawless. I've played a bunch of Suhrs that didn't click with me at all, even with similar specs, but those two... wow. A friend of my has a Guthrie Govan signature Suhr modern and it's a pretty amazing guitar as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mistersully Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by soundcreation They are very nice guitars but for the prices both of them charge you could get high end Japanese guitars that will embarrass them in my opinion. can you give examples?.... i'm interested in your opinion as to which are the top japanese strats in particular... i've seen you mention momose before yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by rock-lobster If it played and sounded good, it's you who has no mojo. grammar corrected, QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar Heel Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by smorgdonkey I don't find that about Suhr but I know what you mean because I found that PRS seems that way to me. It's an intangible that we can't explain as humans I suppose. I agree that no human has ever been able to explain this in any coherent way. I guess that's why I think it's absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by DaleH Suhr pickups are great. What makes them better than others? Pickups are very easy to replicate so you could take it apart and create the same thing, could you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by elsupermanny14 Which do you think is better and why? Let loose! In a blind test with the same amps, etc., you would have a hard time telling the difference IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chad Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 I've heard the "no soul", "no mojo", "no vibe" comments about these two brands along with other boutique brands on other forums as well. I wonder if it comes down to the "Jack White" theory? He likes a guitar that isn't perfect and requires him to work at playing it. Most of these boutique brands are as close to perfect as humanly possible.....excellent wood selection, quality components, excellent finish work, often have contour cuts and so forth to make them more ergonomic, flawless setups including fret leveling/crowning, etc. Perhaps that perfection takes the "vibe" or whatever out of the instruments for a lot of people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wein Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I own two Suhrs, and I've played a ton of Andersons. I even have Suhr pickups in one parts guitar and I have a set on order for another right now....I dig the SUhr Aesthetic more but they both make great instruments. At the end of the day they are only the tools. You make the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members smorgdonkey Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Originally Posted by Guitar Heel I agree that no human has ever been able to explain this in any coherent way. I guess that's why I think it's absurd. I think it comes down to being inspired by the feeling of the instrument in your hands. So, like most other things guitar-related, it comes down to personal preference. Originally Posted by Steadfastly What makes them better than others? Pickups are very easy to replicate so you could take it apart and create the same thing, could you not? Pickups are not easy to replicate. Ask anyone who has ever made a set. Ask Jason Lollar what he thinks...ask Bryan Gunsher if he thinks his product could be 'easily replicated' or Jim Wagner. Maybe Lindy Fralin. Ask them all and report back with what you find....and finally, IF pickups were easily replicated, I'd have no brand name pickups at all because they would have been replicated by the companies that sell them cheap and I would have bought them all from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C-4 Posted January 2, 2012 Members Share Posted January 2, 2012 Had both and loved the Suhrs far more. The best however, imho, is Vigier. They do things to their guitars that no one else does, and every one gets the same treatment. Never played an anderson or Suhr that has a better feeling, more stable, and straight neck, and the Vigiers don't need to use baked maple to keep their necks absolutely stable in all climatic conditions. Also, among a lot of other things they do, Vigier is the only one that uses totally air-dried woods that they have had for years prior to building, and it's all grown in their home country. Also, they have their own bridges, not Japanese Gotoh bridges like everyone else uses. They are the best I've ever used. They pivot on ball bearings, not a knife edge that can dull, or six screws in the body at the bridge fulcrum point as older Fenders have. In Europe, they are very well respected. No american bolt-on guitar can touch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by mistersully can you give examples?.... i'm interested in your opinion as to which are the top japanese strats in particular... i've seen you mention momose before yeah? Sure....Yeah momose are fantastic guitars...If you want strat style guitars then I'd personally take any Navigator, Momose, Freedom guitar works, Scoop, or Van Zandt...just too name a few. Les Paul style Momose, and Navigator are the mains ones I'd look at but there are others. Other companies do more hybrid models like Crews guitars or a company called Combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rock-lobster Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Chad I've heard the "no soul", "no mojo", "no vibe" comments about these two brands along with other boutique brands on other forums as well. I wonder if it comes down to the "Jack White" theory? He likes a guitar that isn't perfect and requires him to work at playing it. Most of these boutique brands are as close to perfect as humanly possible.....excellent wood selection, quality components, excellent finish work, often have contour cuts and so forth to make them more ergonomic, flawless setups including fret leveling/crowning, etc. Perhaps that perfection takes the "vibe" or whatever out of the instruments for a lot of people? I appreciate jack white's music and love the Raconteurs in particular (and the stripes.)(dead weather... ) but this idea irks me. i understand enjoying taking a guitar that needs work to play it or has that "resistance" factor, SRV comes to mind, but the thought of not liking an instrument because it's a good instrument is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scolfax Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'm not religious, but I believe in mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frankie pajamas Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by mosiddiqi They're both great guitars, I prefer the Suhr..just a feel thing..here's a quick vid with my S4 I did this morning..just warming up wankage Wankage or not, I enjoyed that! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by frankie pajamas Wankage or not, I enjoyed that! Thanks! I bet he could make my $250 MIM Strat sound exactly the same. Just sayin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LesPaulFetish Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by C-4 Had both and loved the Suhrs far more.The best however, imho, is Vigier. They do things to their guitars that no one else does, and every one gets the same treatment.Never played an anderson or Suhr that has a better feeling, more stable, and straight neck, and the Vigiers don't need to use baked maple to keep their necks absolutely stable in all climatic conditions. Also, among a lot of other things they do, Vigier is the only one that uses totally air-dried woods that they have had for years prior to building, and it's all grown in their home country.Also, they have their own bridges, not Japanese Gotoh bridges like everyone else uses. They are the best I've ever used. They pivot on ball bearings, not a knife edge that can dull, or six screws in the body at the bridge fulcrum point as older Fenders have.In Europe, they are very well respected. No american bolt-on guitar can touch them. Took a look; do they all have zero frets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Alecto Hate to bring logic into a thread, but at that price point it's less about straight-up quality and more about whose vision of the instrument you think is better. I've played instruments from both makers and I love them both. Sad, ain't it? That's it right there - at that level, it becomes more about your personal fit with the design than the execution of the design itself. Anderson, Suhr, and others do what they're trying to do about as perfectly as it can be done. It's just a question of whether you're on board with what they're trying to do.I would argue there is a bit of a "mojo" aspect to a guitar. Once upon a time I had a high-end Ibanez RG with some hot DiMarzios in it. To me, it had no "vibe" because it produced a tone that was neutral to the point of being sterile/clinical sounding. It didn't have a particularly defining sonic signature in the way that many classics like a Strat, Tele, 335, etc have. Of course, IMO the neutral sound was the point of the guitar - for a high gain player, it was a neutral, powerful platform that played great and would let a high gain amp like a Boogie, etc take over the tone. For a clean/mid-gain player, it would sound very flat. If you're that kind of player, you could interpret a lot of modern/shreddy guitars that way. Although while I haven't played one, I'm guessing a Suhr T with traditional woods, pickups, and a 3-barrel bridge would have plenty of Tele "soul". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cyprusg Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 This is not a knock on Suhr at all so I don't want people to get that impression but from everything I've heard on the internet I haven't been impressed with them. They could be the greatest guitars in the universe since I haven't played one in person but I haven't heard anything that impresses me yet. But honestly I don't know why, on paper a Suhr guitar would be my ultimate guitar, in fact I was going to purchase one for the hell of it before I bought a deluxe strat a while ago but then I was watching any video I could find on youtube of Suhr guitars and there was not one video where I was like "that is the tone I'm looking for!". What it may come down to are their pickups, I don't know if their single coils are all noiseless and that's why they lose that strat warmth or what the deal is. But like anything it's a matter of taste and I support a small business owner trying to stick it to the big guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 headstock decides all...I now suhrs are horrible so Anderson by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2prog4u Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by Hardvalve Suhr for me, but I own one. Picked it over a lot of good guitars at Make N Music in Chicago, including Anderson. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skipstar59 Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Here's some clips using my $2100 '99 Tom Anderson Hollow Drop Top Classic:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5803803http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5736046http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=7176655http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6382397 Here's some clips using my $250 PRS SE :http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6526404http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6449646http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6411222http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6346712 You decide if the price of the guitar makes a big enough difference in tone.I will say that I really like the overall feel of the Anderson over the PRS SE. I haven't spent big dollars on any guitar since buying the Anderson. Only pawnshop guitars for me. Buy them cheap and fix them up. Tone is in the hands and the amp.Just my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by smorgdonkey I think it comes down to being inspired by the feeling of the instrument in your hands. So, like most other things guitar-related, it comes down to personal preference. Pickups are not easy to replicate. Ask anyone who has ever made a set. Ask Jason Lollar what he thinks...ask Bryan Gunsher if he thinks his product could be 'easily replicated' or Jim Wagner. Maybe Lindy Fralin. Ask them all and report back with what you find....and finally, IF pickups were easily replicated, I'd have no brand name pickups at all because they would have been replicated by the companies that sell them cheap and I would have bought them all from there. Smorgey: Watch some of the videos on how they are made. It's not a difficult thing if you have mechanical ability. You simply take them apart and copy them. Manufacturers do it with a lot more sophisticated products than pickups. Regards, Steadfastly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted January 3, 2012 Members Share Posted January 3, 2012 Originally Posted by skipstar59 Here's some clips using my $2100 '99 Tom Anderson Hollow Drop Top Classic:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5803803http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=5736046http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=7176655http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6382397Here's some clips using my $250 PRS SE :http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6526404http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6449646http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6411222http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=6346712You decide if the price of the guitar makes a big enough difference in tone.I will say that I really like the overall feel of the Anderson over the PRS SE. I haven't spent big dollars on any guitar since buying the Anderson. Only pawnshop guitars for me. Buy them cheap and fix them up. Tone is in the hands and the amp.Just my .02 Skip, that wasn't a fair test and you used different amps for the two guitars. I liked the $250.00 PRS on three and one was tied with the Anderson but to be fair, you need to have the same song, same amp, same settings, etc. to be able to compare. I agree that most of the tone is in the amp, though. And, BTW, nice playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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