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  • I use a JCM900 cab, I used an 800 vintage and a basket weave with greenbacks. I have tried 5150 cabs. A couple of others. I like the JCM 900 I have just fine. It's one of those things where you have that elusive tone in your head. I like old 70's Schenker tone pretty good but not enough lower mids. VH II had some pretty cool tones bit again not enough lower mids. I have tried a LOT of pups, including EMGs and some Duncan active sets. Since I don't play out anymore maybe I just can't open the amp up enough without the fuzz coming by. I bought my first dual recto in1995. I have always gone back to that sound. I hate it on modern though. It never moves from vintage mode. I use Mesa tubes. I have tried JJ, Ruby, Fender,GT,Sovtek,EH and a couple of others I don't remember..Svetlana. I don't notice really any difference in power tubes. Preamp very little difference. Maybe I am just crazy. LOL! *Rolls around floor hysterically screaming*

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    • NO fuzz pedals allowed! Them things sound like ****************.


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      • Still not a single clip of growl and snarl.
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        • Still not a single clip of growl and snarl.


          I mentioned some guitar players. Listen to VH ll it's a starting point.

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          • that x 10..ok maybe 5

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            • Omni, I noticed you mentioned "not enough lower mids" a few times. Have you ever considered trying a parametric EQ? They work differently than a graphic, allowing you to adjust not only the exact frequency you want to boost or cut, but also the bandwith around it - how narrow or broad the EQ curve will be. They're pretty powerful tone shaping tools, and in cases where you are lacking low mids, or want a bit more sparkle in the highs, they can be a great tool for helping you get that. Stick it in the effects loop and dial it up to taste.
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              • **********

                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                - George Carlin

                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                • that x 10..ok maybe 5


                  Alright, now post a clip of you playing this on your rig and we'll figure out the missing piece(s).
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                  • A speaker swap can have a huge influence on the way the amp sounds - this is actually a very good suggestion to consider IMHO, but the problem with it is finding speaker(s) that are very similar to his current one(s), but with more snarl and growl. There's also the question of their relative efficiency - if the replacement speakers are significantly different in that regard, the volume level of the amp will be affected; more efficient speakers will sound louder while less efficient ones will sound quieter, even if they tonally have more growl and snarl.

                    IOW, IMHO this suggestion has merit as a possible solution to your problem omni, but would require significant amount of research, testing and work on your part, and with no absolute guarantee that you'll find speakers that you like better than what you already use. But yes, speakers make a HUGE difference to the sound and response of any amp - probably as much or moreso than any other single factor.


                    I am going to side with these guys. My cabinet right now was an act of insanity in some peoples minds. It started out in life as an old Univox 4x12 with Alnico-magnet "UniVox ProMag Bass Guitar Speakers".. On a whim, I picked it up cheap and had the speakers re-coned, but to my spec's. Basically, they have the lighter cone for guitar, but were made to still travel as much as they would with bass frequency.

                    The result was a tone so throaty, nasty, and pissed off, I sold my Marshall cab.
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                    I have a hard time getting rid of things

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                    • I wish I could. I don't even have a mike, I sold em all. I only had 2 57s that I used. I could use my iRig thinger but that is not my amp. Just think of a Les Paul into a Mesa on vintage mode high gain, lots of mids.
                      Phil Yes, I have tried an EQ, I'll borrow one from a friend and try it again.

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                      • "The result was a tone so throaty, nasty, and pissed off"
                        I like this description.

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                        • I guess if you bought your first recto in 95 then it was a dual channel. Reading the thread, i was wondering what kind you had. I like mesa amps and have had a few. I was going to suggest trying one of the old two channel versions over the three channel newer ones. It's a much more expensive suggestion than a pedal, but i've found them to have a lot more of that magic than the three channel rectos. You may have a different opinion though and certainly have your own experience if you've owned one of the old ones already. I also got more of what i would call growl and snarl when i got a cab with vintage 30's after owning one of the jcm 900 cabs for a while. You may have tried that too, but i loved it with my old dual rectifier. It really added some bite to the sound. Good luck.

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                          • Cool - when you do, please do me a favor. Dial up a really narrow bandwidth boost, turn the amp down a bit and sweep it across the frequency spectrum. Make notes and write down the frequency setting of any sounds that either appeal to you (hey, I want more of THAT in my main guitar sound) or annoy you (yeah, I've got too much of THAT in my sound), or that just jump out at you and grab your attention, and then tell us what you found. Also, try the same sweep, but with a very broad bandwidth boost... see if adding a bit of that in the upper mids helps you get a bit more snarl.
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                            "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                            - George Carlin

                            "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                            - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                            • Misterstomach I now use a single recto...Year 2000.

                              Wow that strat is long gone..

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                              • BTW, an EQ (graphic or parametric) may not be the solution for you, but it may help us define what frequency ranges Mr Growl and Ms Snarl live in...
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                                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                                - George Carlin

                                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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