Members #6 Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Clearly an accusation is being made in your first statement. Actually a stereotypical accusation to be accurate. Don't throw the ball in and then pout when it's bounced back at you. yes, i am accusing some of the right of being racist, (and if you think thats wrong then i want some of what you are smoking)how does that make me a racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members #6 Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 I don't think you're a racist. I do think you are using racism in a strawman fashion, as a means of dismissing the issue offhand. Nobody here stated that illegal immigration was strictly an "Hispanic" problem, even if it is overwhelmingly a Hispanic problem when you look at the numbers.Are there racists arguing the issue in this country? Of course. Does that mean there isn't an illegal immigration problem in this country? Of course not. craig, i never said there was not an illegal immigration problem...there is. i think that some of the furor over it is being driven by racism though, since i NEVER have heard a single agitator/politician/ranter on the internets ever mention white illegal immigration (which is exactly the same as any other illegal immigration) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 14, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2009 hey, do not try and paint me with some sort of racist brush........but do not attempt to portray me as some sort of racist...You mean like you were doing to us? You should be a comedian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 14, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2009 Are there racists arguing the issue in this country? Of course. Does that mean there isn't an illegal immigration problem in this country? Of course not.This post is full of win. Accusations of racism is a pretty simple way of diverting attention away from working on the actual issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrJoshua Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 yes, i am accusing some of the right of being racist, (and if you think thats wrong then i want some of what you are smoking)how does that make me a racist?How does being right-wing make someone a racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 14, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2009 Newsflash: You have to quit smoking dope to be a conservative. I wonder where that places me since I didn't inhale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gspointer Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Newsflash: You have to quit smoking dope to be a conservative. Try again, but this time pick the side of the aisle that will have you. I would guess there are very few people that have 100% adherence to any platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members #6 Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 You mean like you were doing to us? You should be a comedian. Thud, did I call you a racist? did i call any of you racists? no. i fully accept that all republicans and right wingers are made of purest shimmering goodness and light, and never, never, never was there a racist among them... see y'all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Newsflash: You have to quit smoking dope to be a conservative. Try again, but this time pick the side of the aisle that will have you. I haven't smoked dope regularly in years. Still support legalization, though. Just not for liberals.C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrJoshua Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 craig, i never said there was not an illegal immigration problem...there is.i think that some of the furor over it is being driven by racism though, since i NEVER have heard a single agitator/politician/ranter on the internets ever mention white illegal immigration (which is exactly the same as any other illegal immigration) When the majority of illegal immigrants start coming in from Iceland, you'll hear more about Icelandic immigrants than any other group. When the majority of illegal immigrants are from Sweden, we'll complain about Swedish immigrants. I'm all for immigration, and I believe that if they're in the country and holding down a job they ought to be registered and taxed like anyone else. But I also think that they ought to follow the proper process to get here. That said, I've no idea how complex that process is (having never gone through it myself) and it's quite possible that if I had more direct knowledge of it I'd feel that it needed to be overhauled or changed in one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 14, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2009 when i see the folks all riled up about illegals spend as much time on whites as hispanics, i'll consider that racism has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 14, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 craig, i never said there was not an illegal immigration problem...there is. i think that some of the furor over it is being driven by racism though, since i NEVER have heard a single agitator/politician/ranter on the internets ever mention white illegal immigration (which is exactly the same as any other illegal immigration) If the numbers are overwhelmingly indicative of a Hispanic illlegal immigration issue, it follows that an overwhelming amount of time be directed towards it rather than the much smaller European illegal immigration problem. According to this website: http://www.cis.org/illegal , illegal immigrants from "Europe and the Caribbean" account for only 4 percent of the total illegal population here. So perhaps devoting 4% of discussion to this aspect would avert claims of racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 [YOUTUBE]2Op8TqYtv70[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 14, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2009 So perhaps devoting 4% of discussion to this aspect would avert claims of racism? Of the 26 or so posts that actually specifically regard immigrants/immigration and not "racist" accusations, there have been at least 3 "right wingers" (and I use that term loosely) mention non-hispanics. 3/26 = 11.5%. We've more than covered that 4%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 14, 2009 CMS Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 Of the 26 or so posts that actually specifically regard immigrants/immigration and not "racist" accusations, there have been at least 3 "right wingers" (and I use that term loosely) mention non-hispanics. 3/26 = 11.5%. We've more than covered that 4%. Excellent. Now let's move on to the next topic: "Euro vs Latin American immigrants. Who is more smarmy?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Excellent. Now let's move on to the next topic: "Euro vs Latin American immigrants. Who is more smarmy?"No question! Jazz_Ad alone can out smarmy the entire Latin American culture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members P1gg1e Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Excellent. Now let's move on to the next topic: "Euro vs Latin American immigrants. Who is more smarmy?"Damn Irish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Ryco Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Damn Irish Hey!! I resemble that remark!!Other half Native American = GET OFFA MY LAWN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hey!! I resemble that remark!! Other half Native American = GET OFFA MY LAWN! Half Native American, half Irish? Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members P1gg1e Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hey!! I resemble that remark!! Other half Native American = GET OFFA MY LAWN! LOL my grandfather was NA/French but Grandma is Slovak and she would chase Jehovah's witnesses off the lawn with a shot gun( in the city)...Grandpa would warn them first though " you don't need to worry about me but if my wife catches you here she will come out with a gun"...they didn't listen My GreatGrandfather ( French Canadian) ran boot leg liquor during the depression ( mostly the decoy car) and was always afraid that he would get sent back to Canada ( illegal ). He also lied on his draft card about his age So you see my family isn't much for rules Our list of races is getting pretty long actually . 7770's mom found out she had sickle cell trait when she had a heart attack last year.. so we have a sampling of just about everything in our family...not really sure WHAT our race is anymore...human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Ryco Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 Half Native American, half Irish? Wtf? Means I love to drink, but firewater make me fall down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasonbmerrill Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 problem with american immigration =/= racism. its not anyones fault that we border a poorer nation full of brown people, that routinely come over here illegally. Its not racism. its statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 problem with american immigration =/= racism. its not anyones fault that we border a poorer nation full of brown people, that routinely come over here illegally. Its not racism. its statistics. That's exactly what a racist would say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 14, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2009 That's exactly what a racist would say!You pot stirrer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted August 14, 2009 Members Share Posted August 14, 2009 You pot stirrer! It's true; I do enjoy being the big spoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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