Members georgestrings Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'm having fun with this thing. Just being silly. Yeah, I know you were - no prob, bro... - georgestrings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I like Jaco's orange pants. Never did like his music. I tried. I tried really hard. I think you just became my hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluedogaudio Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Whatever happened to just not liking something? It's ok. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 It's hard to enjoy a fusion bass player if you're not into fusion.Same could be said for Steve Di Diorgio, Steve Harris, Charles Mingus, Michael Manring or any other great player in a style out of mainstream.The thing with Jaco is that he pretty much reinvented bass playing. Hard to understand today though, as Renfield said you had to be there. Man, I don't know you, but you are seriously mistaken, and out of you depth if you put Steve Harris in with those self edifying wanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted October 28, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I have yet to hear any solo bassist I've enjoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 If this thread isn't a troll then I don't know what is Go to a guitar forum and say you just don't get Jimi or something next time Jimi Sucked!!!! (run away, run away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Unknown Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I love Jaco's music... I like to hear, among others, Stanley Clarke, Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller, Steve Bailey and Billy Sheehan bass playing. Should I hide myself... or dock in case someone throws something at me in this thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LanEvo Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 As much as Les Claypool is rock, I can hear Louis Johnson and Bootsy in his playing. Jaco? I just hear thinly-veiled jazz. That shouldn't come as much of a surprise considering he was, you know...a jazz player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Jaco was a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brother Mango Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you don't like the stuff he did with Joni Mitchell, then I guess you just don't like him. Personally, I think songs like Talk to Me, Black Crow, Edith & the Kingpin, Coyote, Goodbye Porkpie Hat, and Hejira are some of the best stuff Jaco ever did. That shouldn't come as much of a surprise considering he was, you know...a jazz player You're a real smart-alec! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I have yet to hear any solo bassist I've enjoyed. No way man, you just don't like, get what they're tryin to say, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted October 28, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 bass is a rhythm instrument. While a tuba solo is amusing, it really doesn't hit home like a trumpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 bass is a rhythm instrument. Only if you approach it that way. Some elements of Jaco's playing sound kind of tired these days, but I think that that's as much the result of many people deriving some element of their style from his as anything he accomplished personally. Having listened to a lot of the things he played on, I think that he had a fairly limited musical vocabulary within the context of Weather Report as opposed to many of the other settings he played in, which is a pity, since that's what most people are exposed to when they try to get into his music. His work with Joni Mitchell and Pat Metheny and his own "solo" album are much better examples of what he was capable of, in my opinion. I don't think that there was a player in the 70's who could equal him from a technical standpoint. I think that there are players who were funkier, who had better feel, or were more tasteful, but I think that he set the bar higher as far as what bassists could do, and when players came along who could combine technical ability on that level with what Jaco was missing, I feel that the role of the bassist expanded even further. You don't have to like or get Jaco, but his influence on the direction of the instrument is undeniable. Also, at the people in this thread using jazz as a slur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted October 28, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 woah, serious answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 More than the thread deserved, but there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldivor Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Jaco fans are almost as bad as the Beatles fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brother Mango Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Also, at the people in this thread using jazz as a slur. Brother, you are welcome to refer to me by name: Brother Mango is using jazz as a slur. Hell-to-the YES! :wave: I do get where you're coming from. And I definitely appreciate what Jaco brought to the bass, particularly fretless bass. Lots to admire and tip my hat to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brother Mango Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Only if you approach it that way. Some elements of Jaco's playing sound kind of tired these days, but I think that that's as much the result of many people deriving some element of their style from his as anything he accomplished personally. Having listened to a lot of the things he played on, I think that he had a fairly limited musical vocabulary within the context of Weather Report as opposed to many of the other settings he played in, which is a pity, since that's what most people are exposed to when they try to get into his music. His work with Joni Mitchell and Pat Metheny and his own "solo" album are much better examples of what he was capable of, in my opinion. I don't think that there was a player in the 70's who could equal him from a technical standpoint. I think that there are players who were funkier, who had better feel, or were more tasteful, but I think that he set the bar higher as far as what bassists could do, and when players came along who could combine technical ability on that level with what Jaco was missing, I feel that the role of the bassist expanded even further. You don't have to like or get Jaco, but his influence on the direction of the instrument is undeniable. Also, at the people in this thread using jazz as a slur. Upon more thorough read ... "set the bar higher ..." I don't know about that. I can agree with "expansion of possibilities." Jaco explored harmonics on bass. He brought the electric fretless into new territory. However, to say that he "set the bar higher" suggests that there's something new to measure up to. Maybe that's the case for bassists who strive to impress bassists. It's nice to hear Les Claypool use harmonics, and Vic uses them in a tasty way. And I've listened to Vic and Les in my car. Jaco? NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fingeringam Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 He did cocaine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billystrat Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'll tell you what. Things like making a fretles popular, using harmonics as a bass soloing tool, making the bass cut through a mix, taking the madness of rock n roll and fusing it with boring jazz...the guy has got NOTHING on Pete Wentz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 82Daion Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Upon more thorough read ... "set the bar higher ..." I don't know about that. I can agree with "expansion of possibilities." Jaco explored harmonics on bass. He brought the electric fretless into new territory. However, to say that he "set the bar higher" suggests that there's something new to measure up to. In retrospect, "set the bar higher" probably wasn't the best way to phrase that, since it implies that music is some sort of competition, a notion which I detest. "Expansion of possibilities" is more what I'm after.As far as what the dude accomplished...Harmonics are just one part of the picture, IMO. Sure, Jaco played a lot of them, and did so on a fretless, but what I was really getting at with that post was that before Jaco, no one had really used the electric bass as a melodic voice in a jazz context. Sure, you had some rock players who played accompaniment parts with a melodic quality, but Jaco played bass in the same way that a horn player or vocalist would have played theirs in his solos. Before Jaco, who was doing that? It's nice to hear Les Claypool use harmonics, and Vic uses them in a tasty way. And I've listened to Vic and Les in my car. Jaco? NEVER!I think Claypool sounds like whales humping in a scrapyard for the most part, although a lot of the time, that seems to be what he's going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brother Mango Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 In retrospect, "set the bar higher" probably wasn't the best way to phrase that, since it implies that music is some sort of competition, a notion which I detest. "Expansion of possibilities" is more what I'm after. As far as what the dude accomplished... Harmonics are just one part of the picture, IMO. Sure, Jaco played a lot of them, and did so on a fretless, but what I was really getting at with that post was that before Jaco, no one had really used the electric bass as a melodic voice in a jazz context. Sure, you had some rock players who played accompaniment parts with a melodic quality, but Jaco played bass in the same way that a horn player or vocalist would have played theirs in his solos. Before Jaco, who was doing that? I think Claypool sounds like whales humping in a scrapyard for the most part, although a lot of the time, that seems to be what he's going for. Yes. There's a song on Claypool's latest CD and it sounds like a bunch of random crap clanging around ... very rhythmically, and it sounds awesome! You ask who was playing bass more like a horn player before Jaco? I don't know. Maybe nobody. Maybe Lug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brother Mango Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 He did cocaine He liked the way it smells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesjohnsonde Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 Only if you approach it that way. Some elements of Jaco's playing sound kind of tired these days, but I think that that's as much the result of many people deriving some element of their style from his as anything he accomplished personally. Having listened to a lot of the things he played on, I think that he had a fairly limited musical vocabulary within the context of Weather Report as opposed to many of the other settings he played in, which is a pity, since that's what most people are exposed to when they try to get into his music. His work with Joni Mitchell and Pat Metheny and his own "solo" album are much better examples of what he was capable of, in my opinion. I don't think that there was a player in the 70's who could equal him from a technical standpoint. I think that there are players who were funkier, who had better feel, or were more tasteful, but I think that he set the bar higher as far as what bassists could do, and when players came along who could combine technical ability on that level with what Jaco was missing, I feel that the role of the bassist expanded even further. You don't have to like or get Jaco, but his influence on the direction of the instrument is undeniable. Also, at the people in this thread using jazz as a slur. I love jazz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIP Posted October 28, 2009 Members Share Posted October 28, 2009 I don't think bass the way Jamerson played needed to be "reinvented", but that's just me... You're not alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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