Members Rothstaman Posted September 8, 2016 Members Share Posted September 8, 2016 Inside label ripped...maybe looks black/yellow. Headstock badge or name gone. (I'm leaving the no cash value token, it says a lt about my playing). Pyramid bridge and grover tuning machines. Smells Japanese made to me although I don't have the actual guitar yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted September 8, 2016 Members Share Posted September 8, 2016 Don't recognise the brand, but I suspect it might have been stolen and disguised at some point. Hopefully it sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted September 8, 2016 Members Share Posted September 8, 2016 Looks like Yamaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluzboy Posted September 9, 2016 Members Share Posted September 9, 2016 Looks like Yamaha. Definitely not a Yamaha, although the body looks similar to an FG-75. Aside from that, not a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted September 9, 2016 Members Share Posted September 9, 2016 Well, then it's definitely a Yamaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted September 9, 2016 Members Share Posted September 9, 2016 Headstock shape looks quite a bit like a Seagull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted September 9, 2016 Members Share Posted September 9, 2016 And it has that circle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Freeman Keller Posted September 9, 2016 Members Share Posted September 9, 2016 Yeh, my picture is probably a higher model since the headstock is bound but Seagull's have always had that narrow tapered headstock. One other way to find out would be to look at the neck block - the last 'gull I worked on was a bolt on neck and would have two bolt heads. Decent guitars, made in Canada by the Art and Lutherie group - I've always felt that their 12 string was good bang for the buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members panhandler Posted September 10, 2016 Members Share Posted September 10, 2016 Looks like a guitar. (sry couldn't resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted September 10, 2016 Members Share Posted September 10, 2016 Love the transparent rosette. If you tire of that token...dibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rothstaman Posted September 10, 2016 Author Members Share Posted September 10, 2016 Thanks everyone. I'll investigate more once I have it. Didn't pay much so no big deal Headstock is similar to the seagull. It is also similar to a washburn, although the top of the wasburn looks like a smile while this is a frown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigald18 Posted October 15, 2016 Members Share Posted October 15, 2016 Seagull has used a rosette that is a decal and not inlaid. This might have had a decal for a rosette that fell off. Know nothing about washburn construction techniques though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted October 15, 2016 Members Share Posted October 15, 2016 So it may be a Seagull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigald18 Posted October 15, 2016 Members Share Posted October 15, 2016 Take the token off the git when you get it and there might be a name under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blind Dog Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 Waldens have a similar headstock -- tho the bridge and pick guard don't reflect their sensibilities. The (deco) decal looks a lot like Nippon/Taiwan FG labels from 'the golden era'. Not likely Yamaha (with alteration) because there's no truss rod cover. Not saying it's not a Seagull, but the labels (that I've seen) have always been blue. And the D/G pegs seem closer together on Seagulls. Edit: interesting thread, and when the guitar arrives, it will be cool to see if it's something where the profile of the head stock has been changed. ie; a filed Tak'/"Washburn" or something. Hope it turns out to be a gem. back of Walden with 'Groveresque' style tuners The only decal I know that has the 'deco' style corner ornamentation are Yamaha. (originally white) It's a 12, but shows the taper of the FG's that were common back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 I'm going to agree about the Yamaha label inside. It's definitely not a Seagull as the headstock shape is just wrong. The Yamaha headstock decals used to just be gold leaf and came off easily. On this one they not only refinished the headstock, but also reshaped it. Looks like the rosette was also a stick on and got sanded off during the refinish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 Also definitely sticking with the theory that it was probably stolen and disguised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 Eh, stolen? Definitely a low level kleptomaniac more interested in stealing something, anything, if it was stolen. But anything's possible. So then it's a Yamaha. A Yamaha that is not, in fact, stolen, but one the owner felt modifications were due and required to further his/her budding career in acoustic guitar counterfeiting. ..wanted to keep that 'theft' angle alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 The thing that suggests stolen to me is that the label looks like it was scraped off, but not to look better (would have done the whole label). Remember that Yamaha FG-anything from the 70's used to have a huge mystique, with people claiming they sound "better than a top of the line Martin" hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neal Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 Anything Japanese from the '70s was, according to eBay, a 'lawsuit' piece, eh? Mandolins from a few were pretty close, guitars, well, they were good. Gotta give 'em that. Was there a lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Idunno Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 Or, maybe it was something someone Frankensteined from bits, or made from scratch? Who knows? The electric guys pride themselves on their self-creations from parts and then do the obligatory agonizing over p/ups until they die. Why not think that an acoustic couldn't have a similar birth? That neck might be depicted in Stew-Mac's current catalog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 16, 2016 Members Share Posted October 16, 2016 The fact that there's an existing tan line where the previous headstock logo suggests to me that it's second hand, but the lack of a truss rod cover says "not Yamaha". I'm going to agree with the Frankenstein idea. Someone put a different neck on a Yamaha body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blind Dog Posted October 17, 2016 Members Share Posted October 17, 2016 Love the transparent rosette. If you tire of that token...dibs. I admit I butchered the pc, but if you want to talk about the guitar's token, I would like to invoke my right to have an attorney present. But off the record: the pyramid bridge has me puzzled. Usually a high end adornment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grant Harding Posted October 17, 2016 Members Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yeah - I think that bridge is also a replacement, but I can't see any tan line from the original in the pic. The refinish probably took care of that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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