Members Oswlek Posted July 22, 2014 Members Share Posted July 22, 2014 2) Re: theory, Lee's write up is pretty complete, but it also depends on where you're going. If you're going back to G then yes, you're in G. If you're going to Eb then the F and Bb are transitioning chords helping you modulate. Absolutely. Just as every transitional chord or note that isn't in the standard major scale doesn't signify a true key change, you don't always start on the tonic either. Where you go is as important as where you begin. But in this case, with just the data available, it reads like G or G mixolydian to me. Edit: if it were in the key of F at the start, the big tip would be that the lead or the melody would be toying with the Bb early on, creating a dissonant, bluesy vibe. Ultimately, the notes that are weaving in and about tell you more about the key than just the chords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted July 22, 2014 Members Share Posted July 22, 2014 WOW! That DID turn out amazing. Breathtaking even. Still listening... I'm hearing a This Mortal Coil influence in those drums. Wow, thanks, that means a ton - TMC influence? in the kick or the clap, ha. (As an aside, if you want a surefire way to identify aging hipsters, plug in a bass at guitar center and start playing Kangaroo, and see who comes up to you. Works every time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bee3 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted July 22, 2014 I FIRST SAW YOU... YOU HAD ON BLUE JEANS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 22, 2014 Moderators Share Posted July 22, 2014 Absolutely. Just as every transitional chord or note that isn't in the standard major scale doesn't signify a true key change, you don't always start on the tonic either. Where you go is as important as where you begin. But in this case, with just the data available, it reads like G or G mixolydian to me. Edit: if it were in the key of F at the start, the big tip would be that the lead or the melody would be toying with the Bb early on, creating a dissonant, bluesy vibe. Ultimately, the notes that are weaving in and about tell you more about the key than just the chords. What he said^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 22, 2014 Moderators Share Posted July 22, 2014 LeeK - we have an office in La Jolla and I have someone that works in it. I need to try harder to get out there. Hey now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted July 23, 2014 Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 If you haven't bought my album yet ... you can download it for free here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pjbu1ftos..._p65qyoax8NQFa I owe a BIG thanks to many of you... if you listen, you'll hear many of your suggestions in the final product. Sometimes entire lines! Thanks for that - I'm listening right now. The album has its own flavour. What flavour will the next one be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted July 23, 2014 Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 8 bars of G 4 bars of Am 4 bars of C 2 bars of F 2 bars of Bb What key is it in? And how do these chords relate to each other? I don't have a lot of theory under my belt, but if I was thrown these chords I would probably work in the key of F major (right or wrong). So I, IV, V in F and the G as a raised 2nd and the Am as a relative minor. The melody would then have a different flavour to G Mixolydian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bee3 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thanks for that - I'm listening right now. The album has its own flavour. What flavour will the next one be? The next one will be a little more stonery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted July 23, 2014 Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 The next one will be a little more stonery. Great - Bee3 Stonery. I'd like to hear some songs where you let loose on keyboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oswlek Posted July 23, 2014 Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 I don't have a lot of theory under my belt, but if I was thrown these chords I would probably work in the key of F major (right or wrong). So I, IV, V in F and the G as a raised 2nd and the Am as a relative minor. The melody would then have a different flavour to G Mixolydian. Interesting. The F major scale with a raised IV is the Lydian mode.... which is the same thing as G mixolydian only it starts on F instead of G. With the first 8 bars on G and the next 8 on Am and C, I'd imagine that the majority of songwriters would naturally gravitate towards G mixolydian or even a simple G major (substitute F# for the F). Essentially, even if your target is F lydian, with G being the only chord for the first 8 bars, it would take a great deal of will to not gravitate to G, B or D... because if you do you are actually doing G mixolydian. Of course, you could sing/play a Bb instead of the B, which would lean much more in the F direction, but even with that it isn't definitive. Blues tunes use a G note over an E major chord to darken the tone, without it pointing to a D major key. Just some rambling thoughts. Feel free to edify me if I'm off base on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bee3 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 Help! I can't find my old thread for my song Feeling Strong. Nevermind. Simple google search worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Foose31 Posted July 23, 2014 Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 Interesting. The F major scale with a raised IV is the Lydian mode.... which is the same thing as G mixolydian only it starts on F instead of G. With the first 8 bars on G and the next 8 on Am and C, I'd imagine that the majority of songwriters would naturally gravitate towards G mixolydian or even a simple G major (substitute F# for the F). Essentially, even if your target is F lydian, with G being the only chord for the first 8 bars, it would take a great deal of will to not gravitate to G, B or D... because if you do you are actually doing G mixolydian. Of course, you could sing/play a Bb instead of the B, which would lean much more in the F direction, but even with that it isn't definitive. Blues tunes use a G note over an E major chord to darken the tone, without it pointing to a D major key. Just some rambling thoughts. Feel free to edify me if I'm off base on anything. Huh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted July 23, 2014 Members Share Posted July 23, 2014 Interesting. The F major scale with a raised IV is the Lydian mode.... which is the same thing as G mixolydian only it starts on F instead of G. With the first 8 bars on G and the next 8 on Am and C, I'd imagine that the majority of songwriters would naturally gravitate towards G mixolydian or even a simple G major (substitute F# for the F). Essentially, even if your target is F lydian, with G being the only chord for the first 8 bars, it would take a great deal of will to not gravitate to G, B or D... because if you do you are actually doing G mixolydian. Of course, you could sing/play a Bb instead of the B, which would lean much more in the F direction, but even with that it isn't definitive. Blues tunes use a G note over an E major chord to darken the tone, without it pointing to a D major key. Just some rambling thoughts. Feel free to edify me if I'm off base on anything. This has been a cool discussion. I went to track a demo last night and sort of started songwriting. Made a thread http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/forum/Forums_General/acapella-37/31212822-drowned-cicadas-wip-from-the-talk-about-whatever-thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bee3 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Members Share Posted July 24, 2014 Drum session!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted July 24, 2014 Members Share Posted July 24, 2014 Dude! The phase! Don't you know that having the mic upside down will invert the wave form and cancel out coincident pick up? Just kidding. As long as the fronts of the mics are both in front and one of the cables isn't polarity reversed, the phase will be as coherent as the angle/pick up/reflections allow. How's it sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted July 24, 2014 Members Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'd say the blues makes its own rules which have their own coherence but, as you note, can nonetheless be analyzed within the framework of western musical theory. Good thing, of course, because much of the music of the last century has had a fair bit of blues sneaking into its harmonic underpinnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bee3 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Members Share Posted July 24, 2014 Dude! The phase! Don't you know that having the mic upside down will invert the wave form and cancel out coincident pick up? Just kidding. As long as the fronts of the mics are both in front and one of the cables isn't polarity reversed, the phase will be as coherent as the angle/pick up/reflections allow. How's it sound? It's a 'virtual' drum session. He's recording while I'm here at work... and sending me very rough unmixed draft. I think just a bit of EQ and Compression from the API going in. Sounds really good though... real drums really bring the songs to life. I have no concern over phase issues... Ron is a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted July 24, 2014 Members Share Posted July 24, 2014 I was totally just kidding on the phase thing, a silly joke about the top-of-mic-to-top-of-mic juxtaposition on the room mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 25, 2014 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2014 But you know blue, they can fix that phase issue with using one, and only one, mike cable from Australia. Using the same scientific properties that occur with the toilet swirling in the opposite direction we're used to here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members oldgitplayer Posted July 25, 2014 Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 But you know blue, they can fix that phase issue with using one, and only one, mike cable from Australia. Using the same scientific properties that occur with the toilet swirling in the opposite direction we're used to here... Except when a kangaroo is playing a piano close by - then the water jumps up a few inches and disappears vertically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 25, 2014 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2014 Except when a kangaroo is playing a piano close by - then the water jumps up a few inches and disappears vertically. No way!?!?!! I'm learning new {censored} everyday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 25, 2014 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2014 Tomorrow is the love of my life's birthday! A bunch of prezzies, a day off for me, a trip to the Wild Animal Park... Then dinner at Roy's in La Jolla with fam and friends. It's a selfish kind of fun to spoil the one you love. Right? I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted July 25, 2014 Members Share Posted July 25, 2014 This seems relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted July 26, 2014 Members Share Posted July 26, 2014 I think I posted this a couple of years ago - The Trial of Ralph McTell.It showed up on my Youtube 'Watch Again' page. I love it.So for anybody who hasn't seen it or wants to watch it again………. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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