Members Player99 Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 ^ Are you saying the quality of Ivy league business ethics courses are sub-standard?http://www.ethics.harvard.edu/ethics-at-harvard/business I am saying the grads don't learn ethics they learn sociopathy. They are not graduating with any compassion, morals etc. Instead they are like sharks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 We also don't have as much money to throw at the war machine right now. I'm not talking about like the past ten years. I'm talking about thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I am saying the grads don't learn ethics they learn sociopathy. They are not graduating with any compassion, morals etc. Instead they are like sharks. What if they were already sociopaths to begin with? Hence why they are going to school for this {censored}. You can't learn moral ideals in a business school. Pedaltones, I think you over look the fact all this is hypothetical. But when it comes to the uses of history as a tool you can't say it has been used well, regardless of the absurd view V has on how times are "peaceful" compared to how things use to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'm not talking about like the past ten years. I'm talking about thousands. I know what you meant. But you also forget in the last 100 years we had the Holocaust along with Rwanda. Millions died during the Holocaust and 100s of thousands in the Rwanda genocide. So your statement is actually incorrect. The Holocaust is fairly recent considering there at still people alive who lived during that time. So it's more than relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptosonic Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Education isn't the problem. The capitalist system as we have it is the problem. I mostly agree but where is the alternative? I need grocery stores and laundromats. Changing the system will not alter my need for food and clean clothes. A food line with nothing to offer but limes is a step back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LSDis4me Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I am saying the grads don't learn ethics they learn sociopathy. They are not graduating with any compassion, morals etc. Instead they are like sharks. I think you're confusing school with the real world, i.e., our capitalist system into which people are hired and molded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LSDis4me Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I mostly agree but where is the alternative? I need grocery stores and laundromats. Changing the system will not alter my need for food and clean clothes. A food line with nothing to offer but limes is a step back. A socialist system will get you there. A communist system probably would too, we don't know, as there as never been a real communist system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I mostly agree but where is the alternative? I need grocery stores and laundromats. Changing the system will not alter my need for food and clean clothes. A food line with nothing to offer but limes is a step back. Well if the world was ideal communism or free markets. But the likely of the two to work would be free markets. And before anyone goes and says free markets go hand in hand with capitalism look into free market systems a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 A socialist system will get you there. A communist system probably would too, we don't know, as there as never been a real communist system. Beat me to it. Socialism/free market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Player99 Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I think you're confusing school with the real world, i.e., our capitalist system into which people are hired and molded. You don't think a guy who studies at Harvard for like 7 years and graduates a business lawyer with a Masters degree in business administration and maybe a minor in international finance does not get molded until he/she gets a job? Who do you think run corporations, governments, stock markets etc? It is these guys. They learn what is out there then they take the evil to the next step every year...year after year news grads, the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LSDis4me Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 You don't think a guy who studies at Harvard for like 7 years and graduates a business lawyer with a Masters degree in business administration and maybe a minor in international finance does not get molded until he/she gets a job? Who do you think run corporations, governments, stock markets etc? Well, I never went to Ivy league schools, just public state schools. But I did notice a big difference between the idealism of academic life and the pressures to increase revenue/cut costs in the work world. So no, I don't think the main problem is a lack of moral education in school. Perhaps in K-12 schools we would benefit from more education in values and moral development, but that is a hot political topic, with many saying they don't want schools teaching morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I know what you meant. But you also forget in the last 100 years we had the Holocaust along with Rwanda. Millions died during the Holocaust and 100s of thousands in the Rwanda genocide. So your statement is actually incorrect. The Holocaust is fairly recent considering there at still people alive who lived during that time. So it's more than relevant. Yeah, I totally forgot about the holocaust survivors like my grandmother who I visit twice a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Well, I never went to Ivy league schools, just public state schools. But I did notice a big difference between the idealism of academic life and the pressures to increase revenue/cut costs in the work world. So no, I don't think the main problem is a lack of moral education in school. Perhaps in K-12 schools we would benefit from more education in values and moral development, but that is a hot political topic, with many saying they don't want schools teaching morality. Teaching morals in school is tricky since a lot of people don't have the same out look on morals. You and I could agree on the fact murder, thievery, and lying are wicked acts, but you then could say being a bigot isn't unmoral. Though one would hope a teacher wouldn't be expressing such issues in a classroom unless they were on the opposing side but I'm sure you see my point. Not that a family can be any better themselves either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Yeah, I totally forgot about the holocaust survivors like my grandmother who I visit twice a week. Then you should be more than educated on how your previous point has little validity if any at all. And that is wonderful she survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Then you should be more than educated on how your previous point has little validity if any at all. And that is wonderful she survived. Except that over the 20th century as education has increased, violence has also steadily decreased both in wars and out of wars. A major factor in that is the access to information people now have through internet access. By the way I am quite highly educated. What's your highest level of education? Mine is double Masters degree (so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PKTrono Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 By the way I am quite highly educated. What's your highest level of education? Mine is double Masters degree (so far). careful now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 careful now Hey if Crohny wants to claim I'm not well-educated I'm happy to refute him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Except that over the 20th century as education has increased, violence has also steadily decreased both in wars and out of wars. A major factor in that is the access to information people now have through internet access.By the way I am quite highly educated. What's your highest level of education? Mine is double Masters degree (so far). Someone's butt got hurt for no apparent reason. I wasn't saying you weren't intelligent. Just pointing out you made a claim that millions use to die like there aren't cases where that hasn't happened in the last 100 years. Also the {censored} going on in Syria where the "government" there is slaughtering people with no regard for human life is more of an indicator that {censored} isn't that different. These decreases aren't as small as you make them out to be. The way information travels now has helped end {censored} quicker due to intervention and world protest because you have countries in the middle east that can now voice their misery to millions and seek aide. As far as my education goes I never got to finish high school. But I work and can afford to buy books plus I have the internet. A piece of paper with a degree means {censored} this day in age when I can learn all the same {censored} without leaving my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members crohny Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Hey if Crohny wants to claim I'm not well-educated I'm happy to refute him. I never said any such thing. I said you SHOULD be educated. Implying I assume you to be. You pulled the small dick syndrome out though so I am wondering what is up with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Player99 Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Except that over the 20th century as education has increased, violence has also steadily decreased both in wars and out of wars. A major factor in that is the access to information people now have through internet access.By the way I am quite highly educated. What's your highest level of education? Mine is double Masters degree (so far). Are you sure violence has decreased? Or has the modern weaponry and propaganda just made it look cleaner? I am also highly educated. Highly being the operative word. What are your degrees in? Your double masters are very difficult and I am impressed. I can still make you my bitch in a battle of wits, but well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members crohny Posted July 29, 2012 Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 what a terrible terrible thread Shut up and go play that p90 equipped guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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