Members ben_allison Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 psychobabble or not he's right He might be right that tube amps are typically more musical than solid state, but he's not right about why. Huge distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eti Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Am I mean for thinking the amp said "Oversize Special?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oinkbanana Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 read the dumble contract hereyou are not allowed to analize or let someone analize your dumble amp. that's hilarious. I wonder how much it costs just to get your hands on an application form.15$ per minute.? ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bobby D Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SonicVI Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 He might be right that tube amps are typically more musical than solid state, but he's not right about why.Huge distinction. Can you explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IamBurnout Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 Can you explain why? When you consider all of the mods, tube selections and speaker replacements that 'tube' amps go through... I wonder why, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members motzman13 Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 +350lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 you are not allowed to analize or let someone analize your dumble amp. Or else what? What exactly does H. Alexander Dumble think he can do about it if you did let someone "analise" your amp? Come to your house and sit on you? Surely he'd be laughed out of any court in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members red_riviera Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 Anal-ise, Mr. Spock. The dilithium crystal lattice is gonnae blow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Instrospection Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 Regarding the FET in the front end of the Dumble....that's true, Bobby? I've always felt that there's a whole bunch of things that go into good tone and good sounds.....all my amps are old tube amps, but I still have solid state overdrives and distortions going into them. Pure tube (non-solid state) and pure build quality only gets you so far. It reminds me of the analog recording purists that hate digital, but get their edits or masters done on a computer setup (ProTools, etc), where the recordings go to cd, anyways. It's still touched by digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sommy Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 Regarding the FET in the front end of the Dumble....that's true, Bobby? I've always felt that there's a whole bunch of things that go into good tone and good sounds.....all my amps are old tube amps, but I still have solid state overdrives and distortions going into them. Pure tube (non-solid state) and pure build quality only gets you so far. It reminds me of the analog recording purists that hate digital, but get their edits or masters done on a computer setup (ProTools, etc), where the recordings go to cd, anyways. It's still touched by digital. You could make an argument about which elements of the recording process are/should be done in the analog domain versus which are done in the digital domain, and the advantages and disadvantages of either. Let's not forget that every time something is re-digitized, the resolution is altered, etc. In the end though, yes, you're right, it's going to end up in the digital domain and set at a particular resolution, but as Steve Albini has said, "It doesn't really matter what I think, since digital is here to stay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Instrospection Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 You could make an argument about which elements of the recording process are/should be done in the analog domain versus which are done in the digital domain, and the advantages and disadvantages of either. Let's not forget that every time something is re-digitized, the resolution is altered, etc.In the end though, yes, you're right, it's going to end up in the digital domain and set at a particular resolution, but as Steve Albini has said, "It doesn't really matter what I think, since digital is here to stay." All true. I definetely think that there's merit in recording to tape.....but on a good recorder and a good setup. Well maintained machines in optimum condition and aligned correctly have an advantage on digital as far as interesting coloration and changing the signal in an interesting and good sounding way, but digital.....I like digital, because i'm hearing on the recording what went into the monitors. I don't want coloration on a signal, because i'm working hard to adjust it to sound good going into the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted February 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 the fact still remains, embrace the fragile harmonics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THAT4301 Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 they need you to cultivate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SonicVI Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 Does anybody know which strings I should try to increase my fragile harmonic content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted February 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 round wounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THAT4301 Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 Strings are made of metal which cannot support fragile harmonics, you're going to need to use real horse gut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ben_allison Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 Can you explain why? My super unscientific take on why SS amps don't often hang with toob amps: 1) Designers don't create the right harmonics (that is, distoriton/non-linearities) in the right amounts.2) They don't treat the transient response envelope properly.3) The frequency response is typically incorrect. If you could design a SS amp that introduces the right kinds of harmonics in the amounts, could handle the attack/release/rounding/compression of transients properly, and approximate the right frequency response, you'd be golden. It's a design issue, not a "components" issue, fundamentally. It's not that anything is getting LOST from the signal in a solid state design; it's that the right things aren't being introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SonicVI Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 My super unscientific take on why SS amps don't often hang with toob amps:1) Designers don't create the right harmonics (that is, distoriton/non-linearities) in the right amounts.2) They don't treat the transient response envelope properly.3) The frequency response is typically incorrect.If you could design a SS amp that introduces the right kinds of harmonics in the amounts, could handle the attack/release/rounding/compression of transients properly, and approximate the right frequency response, you'd be golden.It's a design issue, not a "components" issue, fundamentally.It's not that anything is getting LOST from the signal in a solid state design; it's that the right things aren't being introduced. Get working on it then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodhonk Posted February 18, 2010 Members Share Posted February 18, 2010 My super unscientific take on why SS amps don't often hang with toob amps: 1) Designers don't create the right harmonics (that is, distoriton/non-linearities) in the right amounts. 2) They don't treat the transient response envelope properly. 3) The frequency response is typically incorrect. If you could design a SS amp that introduces the right kinds of harmonics in the amounts, could handle the attack/release/rounding/compression of transients properly, and approximate the right frequency response, you'd be golden. It's a design issue, not a "components" issue, fundamentally. It's not that anything is getting LOST from the signal in a solid state design; it's that the right things aren't being introduced. try this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted February 19, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 19, 2010 that one is full of crystal lettuce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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