Members django5 Posted July 24, 2010 Members Share Posted July 24, 2010 It sounds good in the vid because the guy knows how to use a looper properly. Rather than the sort of {censored} that most people use loopers for. Not really anything special. The modulation of the loops is nice, but it's not exactly usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted July 24, 2010 Members Share Posted July 24, 2010 I'm really debating this one... If it didn't have the SOS mode I'd write it off as a more feature-rich Skrecho, and I'm pretty {censored}in' content with my Skrecho/DMM combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jenesis Posted July 24, 2010 Members Share Posted July 24, 2010 somebody explain the logics of space:idea: Location Location Location :wave: Ironclad "buy local" policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted July 24, 2010 Members Share Posted July 24, 2010 I dunno, I'm basing this entirely on youtube videos of the two pedals, but the sound on sound mode seems like it can capture the warped, lo fi thing that the LFLJ does, and do even more. I guess what I'm saying is El Capistan seems like it can make all the sounds I'd ever want from a LFLJ plus a {censored} ton more.I totally get where SAL is coming from with the flavor of the week comment, and I usually agree with Robo's point that if you're paying for a digital modeler like this, why not pay for one that models more than just one effect. But damn, this thing looks awesome. Every conceivable factor I would ever want to control on a delay, sweet sounding repeats, multi head modes, AND the playback controls for the looper. {censored}. Yes dude. The whole analog/digital line fades day after day. I don't want an old, analog, bulky, can't fit on my board unit. I want something that I can take with me that can get as close as possible to capturing the analog/tape sounds I like. If this can do it, then sweet. If this thing cost what the Echoczar does, then it would be a different story. $300 is a lot to drop on a pedal, at least for me, but if it's got the sounds, then sweet. Doesn't SAL have a Goatkeeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thezeng Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 {censored}. I have no money. Something tells me this won't be flipped many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shaun126 Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Fatso has got it. This thing can do basically what the Lofi does and more for what Lofi costs, or is a Lofi more? I'm not trying to {censored} on Zvex, just saying that this pedal can do a lot or deliver what some people want. I dont care if you {censored} on Zvex, I dont own any zvex stock There is nothing in that video, that sounds like that sweet LFLJ vibrato.If I hear something else that convinces me otherwise, I would snatch it up in a second.Until then....meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members delayed delay Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Fatso has got it. This thing can do basically what the Lofi does and more for what Lofi costs, or is a Lofi more? I'm not trying to {censored} on Zvex, just saying that this pedal can do a lot or deliver what some people want. Yes dude. The whole analog/digital line fades day after day. I don't want an old, analog, bulky, can't fit on my board unit. I want something that I can take with me that can get as close as possible to capturing the analog/tape sounds I like. If this can do it, then sweet. If this thing cost what the Echoczar does, then it would be a different story. $300 is a lot to drop on a pedal, at least for me, but if it's got the sounds, then sweet. Doesn't SAL have a Goatkeeper? I've never been able to find that much of a use for a looper in a live setting... ... there's maybe a couple songs that our band plays (out of like 50) that I even use one for. In other words, while the looper is fantastic, it's not the biggest draw for me.What IS the biggest draw for me is the warmth and authenticity of it's sound and all of the tweakable features. The ability to basically have 2 presets is just fantastic as well... Sounds genuinely like a tape echo, and while it's obviously not perfect, it's pretty dang close, and when running into an amp that's mic'd and into a PA and out those speakers... well... you won't be able to tell whether it's a real tape echo. The most anyone will hear is just a nice warbly sound... which is why I think the El Capistan could be perfect. It can get real gritty and dirty and you don't have to deal with the hassle of an actual tape echo unit.The Echoczar sounds really cool and is totally unique with a buttload of tweakable features... but there's no way I'll ever spend that much on a delay unit... ($725.00 )... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 I've never been able to find that much of a use for a looper in a live setting... ... there's maybe a couple songs that our band plays (out of like 50) that I even use one for. In other words, while the looper is fantastic, it's not the biggest draw for me. What IS the biggest draw for me is the warmth and authenticity of it's sound and all of the tweakable features. The ability to basically have 2 presets is just fantastic as well... Sounds genuinely like a tape echo, and while it's obviously not perfect, it's pretty dang close, and when running into an amp that's mic'd and into a PA and out those speakers... well... you won't be able to tell whether it's a real tape echo. The most anyone will hear is just a nice warbly sound... which is why I think the El Capistan could be perfect. It can get real gritty and dirty and you don't have to deal with the hassle of an actual tape echo unit. The Echoczar sounds really cool and is totally unique with a buttload of tweakable features... but there's no way I'll ever spend that much on a delay unit... ($725.00 )... Right. The SOS feature isn't the coolest thing about it, its an added bonus, to me, cause I could use that. The delays seem to sound real good and what I've been wanting for a long time is a tape/analog emulating delay with a lot of tweakable options for the fidelity of the delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tatoi Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Right. The SOS feature isn't the coolest thing about it, its an added bonus, to me, cause I could use that. The delays seem to sound real good and what I've been wanting for a long time is a tape/analog emulating delay with a lot of tweakable options for the fidelity of the delay. Exactly. It is a nice bonus that I wasn't expecting. I'd get the El Capistan even if it didn't have that feature. The delay itself is worth the money IMO:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members EL KABONG Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 {censored} a duck!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members six acre lake Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Doesn't SAL have a Goatkeeper? Yes I have a GK3 but I fail to understand how that has anything to do with the El Capistan. The GK3 pairs nicely with my Moog Little Phatty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.R. Shove and Stuff Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Yes I have a GK3 but I fail to understand how that has anything to do with the El Capistan. The GK3 pairs nicely with my Moog Little Phatty. You don't see the similarities between what you did to to the goatkeeper to what you are doing now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members six acre lake Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 I'm not hating on the Strymon. I have said it sounds quite good, that it is a flavor of the week and that it is not groundbreaking. Just another manufacturer trying their hand at simulated tape echo. The GK seemed like a gimmick effect especially compared to the Murf which is a more full featured sequence effect. After buying a GK of my own, and working with it for a while, I found it to be more useful the then I thought and then posted clips of it's success. Austin of Lightfoot Pabs is even going to put the synth track on his site. As I stated in the GK thread I tried an earlier model and found it underwhelming but after purchasing the new model and spending tons of time with it I find it to be a perfect complement to my Moog. That said the Murf still owns and is a far more feature laden effect for sequences. You can try to hate but it just won't stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aussy Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 I'm not hating on the Strymon. I have said it sounds quite good, that it is a flavor of the week and that it is not groundbreaking. Just another manufacturer trying their hand at simulated tape echo. This is true. Has a lot more features/control than the other ones currently out there though, so it might last a bit longer before the hype dies down. The features is sort of a double edged deal though. On one hand, boutweakers want control over every aspect of their sound, on the other hand, they just want something simple that sounds 'good' and already has e-cred (strymon line currently suffering from uber pre-production hype), like the Skreddy. The features right now, however, are the main thing that establish its niche, its place in the effects ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members conky Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 I'm debating between getting this or a POG2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BHz_econo Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 It sounds great. It's just that the market is flooded with delays. I don't know the DE-7 and memory toy still sound great to me about a 1/6 of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 It sounds great. It's just that the market is flooded with delays. I don't know the DE-7 and memory toy still sound great to me about a 1/6 of the price. the DE-7 is nice but can't be tweaked to sound how I want. Doesn't mean I couldn't get good sounds out of it, just want more versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brebis Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 This pedal is a digital modeler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IRG Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 This pedal is a digital modeler.You should post more often, you'd fit right in:thu: Robo Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 This pedal is a digital modeler. and...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brebis Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Just wanted to be factual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 I'm sure everyone knows its digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pbone Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 Would rather have an M9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted July 25, 2010 Members Share Posted July 25, 2010 this is like a Timeline but in a smaller footprint with more tweakables. Sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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