Members misterstomach Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 i agree that a lot of my personal frustration with gibson is disappointment with a company i want to love. they have a great tradition and have so many classic guitars, it would be a shame to lose them. also, they have the workers, equipment and resources to make high quality guitars on a large scale here in the US, which is pretty rare. granted they {censored} up all the time, but i would love for them to undergo a change that saw them put that to better use. some changes in the company would be a good thing, but losing them would really suck. my other fear is that they would get bought by someone who used the name but moved all production overseas or something to make crappier guitars that were still overpriced. i know variety is nice and all but a one particular type of tree out of millions of types ceasing to exist would effect us in what way?as much as gibsons cost they better be made of endangered wood, have an eagle skull in there somewhere, and have strings made from panda intestines.nah, i can see the animal argument but trees? plant another type. who gives a {censored}? i can't {censored}ing believe this. really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Picklebottom Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 The point is not that the tree is endangered, but that it is obtained by cutting (probably large parts of) protected forests, which are the habitat of lots of rare endangered animals. The wood is supposedly from Madagascar, which contains a huge amount of unique species. So if that's true, I'm all for this raid. ah, see i didnt understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members claytonjohn18 Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 If Gibson folds, that sucks, because that means they take Epiphone down with them. Whoever is currently using Epiphone's Korean factory would probably become a pretty big brand in the US if they sought to, and companies like Ibanez would probably grow substantially, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hivedestruction Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 ah, see i didnt understand that. That's some pretty extreme ignorance on you part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members finboy Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 i have a few epi's/gibby's and would hate to see them go under. right now they are run by a bunch of moron's who are out of touch with musicians. there is a market for $5000 les pauls, but they should refocus on making more guitars like the sg classic, the limited run p90 les paul studios, firebird non reverse's, and an affordable les paul standards with quality that matches the price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Picklebottom Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 That's some pretty extreme ignorance on you part. i often get the impression people like you care less about the enviroment and more about your own sense of moral superiority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.R. Shove and Stuff Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 That's some pretty extreme ignorance on you part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TravvyBear Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 In its current and cancerous form, good riddance. Maybe they'll be bought or undergo reorganization, return and actually deliver consistently quality instruments, both traditional and progressive, at quality-appropriate price points, without resorting to pathetic gimmicks and image-oriented marketing, and without constantly throwing about the heft of its brand to shaft both small retailers and consumers. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hivedestruction Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 i often get the impression people like you care less about the enviroment and more about your own sense of moral superiority. Feels good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterstomach Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 i often get the impression people like you care less about the enviroment and more about your own sense of moral superiority. your previous post kind of disqualifies you from saying much about caring for the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members B.S.Jansen Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 I'd like to see Heritage get some more love in the world. They keep the spirit of real classic solid body guitars alive, and they play and sound like dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 I would not care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hivedestruction Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 your previous post kind of disqualifies you from saying much about caring for the environment. Clearly he has never seen Furngully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 Henry J told me all Les Paul copies are made from the compressed bodies of dead children. I laughed, and threw another shovel-full of dogs into the brazier. I have a 2007 (I think) explorer and it plays + sounds great - it's the most resonant guitar I've ever felt and I love it to death. That said, I look at the colossal overpricing of Les Pauls and their upper end stuff and I think they live off their brand name far too much. In the spirit of keeping the whole industry fresh and competitive, as well as keeping everyone honest, I don't think I'd shed a tear if they went pear shaped. Unfortunately guitar as a cultural icon is a thing of nostalgia for so many people of a certain age who have big wallets and want the brand names of their youth, so this kind of overpricing (and you see it with gretsch, rickenbacker etc too) isn't going to go away until they die and the desire for these brands drops to sensible levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 It would be sad if Gibson folded altogether, but I can't see that happening- someone somewhere would have the cash to buy the company and keep it going- they hold the rights to half the iconic guitar designs out there, which should be a licence to print money, right?I don't think many musicians (or Gibson employees: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Gibson-Guitar-Reviews-E6869.htm) would shed a tear if Henry J lost his position at the top of the tree at Gibson and someone else took over- hopefully someone with a better idea of what musicians really want, namely reasonable prices, excellent QC, accurate reproductions of the classic guitars we know and love and new designs that don't look like they were sketched by blind amputees. And a suitably fiery end to the Firewood X. Please. TBH, I think a lot of the hate directed at Gibson is a reaction against the perceived poor running of a company we all want to love.Oh, and those 50s Tribute Studios, while they might have been the nicest new Gibson designs in a long while, weren't all that special. This, all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Picklebottom Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 your previous post kind of disqualifies you from saying much about caring for the environment. i never said i did. again- how is tearing me down helping the environment? it isnt. its you trying to make yourself feel better by seeing yourself as superior. im guessing you pick your charities based on the which one has the coolest tshirt to advertise your commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender&EHX4ever Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 It is natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THAT4301 Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 i often get the impression people like you care less about the enviroment and more about your own sense of moral superiority. Translation: "no u" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members delayed delay Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 Clearly he has never seen Furngully. ...or Avatar. or Pocahontas... or Dances with Wolves... or... wait... nvm... same movie, different name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterstomach Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 i never said i did. again- how is tearing me down helping the environment? it isnt. its you trying to make yourself feel better by seeing yourself as superior. im guessing you pick your charities based on the which one has the coolest tshirt to advertise your commitment. i think that someone trying to point out the ignorance of not giving a {censored} about extinction could be seen validly as a minor way of trying to help out the environment. even if it seems to you like someone just self righteously trying to tear you down. just sayin'. and you're right, i was an avid NRA member and all, but then greenpeace came up with all these really sweet slogans. though i will say it was more the bumper stickers than the t-shirts. i would still support the NRA, but i just don't have time for it anymore with my newfound passion for environmentalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members butterknucket Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 I don't think Gibson should go away, but I do think they really need to improve their management and strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members butterknucket Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 I would also add Music Man to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1DZReverendDavidLee Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 Gibson will never fold. Just won't happen folks. That's foolish talk. I think they're stupid for not having more swag to promote their product line. For those of us with a ton of Gibson guitars and amps - we'd like the world to know we love em. That alone should make em throw out the fool running the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 hahaha! Take THAT, Gibson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tim gueguen Posted August 25, 2011 Members Share Posted August 25, 2011 I really don't get why anyone thinks these legal problems mean they might go under. At worst they'll get hit with some sort of fine, take whatever hit it causes to their quarterly profits, alter some wood buying practices, and move on. And honestly I'm skeptical the fine will be that much of a hit to them anyways given the size of the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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