Members ben_allison Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 These are tools to make music.Mojo is not a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ben_allison Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 These are tools to make music.Mojo is not a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by soapbladder My PRRI is made in Mexico. And I'm fine with that. It's a nice product and Esenada, where the factory is, is a cool town. Hmmm, interesting. So DRRI and up, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by soapbladder My PRRI is made in Mexico. And I'm fine with that. It's a nice product and Esenada, where the factory is, is a cool town. Hmmm, interesting. So DRRI and up, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Zappa74 There's a reason Fender did this. It's because nobody outside of Cheap Trick gives a flying {censored} about Hamer guitars. Hamer has made some of the greatest electric guitars ever built. They were a real game changer in their time. People who are knowledgeable about guitars know this fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Zappa74 There's a reason Fender did this. It's because nobody outside of Cheap Trick gives a flying {censored} about Hamer guitars. Hamer has made some of the greatest electric guitars ever built. They were a real game changer in their time. People who are knowledgeable about guitars know this fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by dparr Hamer has made some of the greatest electric guitars ever built. They were a real game changer in their time. People who are knowledgeable about guitars know this fact. Are you Cheap Trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HP Hovercraft Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by dparr Hamer has made some of the greatest electric guitars ever built. They were a real game changer in their time. People who are knowledgeable about guitars know this fact. Are you Cheap Trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kap'n Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Rose colored glasses my friend. The Baldwin era Gretsch stuff was worse IMO than the Norlin era and CBS era Gibsons and Fenders. I'd much rather have a MIJ Gretsch from today. As far as the ultra-high end USA stuff, it's probably THE best stuff Gretsch has ever made - or right there with it insofar as build and materials quality. This. While some of the 50's Gretsches were unbelievable, many of them were not quite. The level of inconsistency of Gretsch in the glory years far surpassed their contemporaries. New MIJ Gretsches are about on par with the best of the 50's (minus pickups). I've owned old Gretsches and new Gretsches. I play new Gretsches (with TV Classics orT-Armonds installed). Every USA Hamer I've played, while very nicely made, failed to grab me and say "take me home." And I think that, more than anything killed them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kap'n Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Rose colored glasses my friend. The Baldwin era Gretsch stuff was worse IMO than the Norlin era and CBS era Gibsons and Fenders. I'd much rather have a MIJ Gretsch from today. As far as the ultra-high end USA stuff, it's probably THE best stuff Gretsch has ever made - or right there with it insofar as build and materials quality. This. While some of the 50's Gretsches were unbelievable, many of them were not quite. The level of inconsistency of Gretsch in the glory years far surpassed their contemporaries. New MIJ Gretsches are about on par with the best of the 50's (minus pickups). I've owned old Gretsches and new Gretsches. I play new Gretsches (with TV Classics orT-Armonds installed). Every USA Hamer I've played, while very nicely made, failed to grab me and say "take me home." And I think that, more than anything killed them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by HP Hovercraft Are you Cheap Trick? I'm Jethro Tull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by HP Hovercraft Are you Cheap Trick? I'm Jethro Tull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by dparr Hamer has made some of the greatest electric guitars ever built. They were a real game changer in their time. People who are knowledgeable about guitars know this fact. What 'game' did they change? Making Gibsons better than Gibson did at the time? I don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by dparr Hamer has made some of the greatest electric guitars ever built. They were a real game changer in their time. People who are knowledgeable about guitars know this fact. What 'game' did they change? Making Gibsons better than Gibson did at the time? I don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted January 6, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Rose colored glasses my friend. The Baldwin era Gretsch stuff was worse IMO than the Norlin era and CBS era Gibsons and Fenders. I'd much rather have a MIJ Gretsch from today. As far as the ultra-high end USA stuff, it's probably THE best stuff Gretsch has ever made - or right there with it insofar as build and materials quality. I have to disagree with you. I'll take my 1957 6120 with the Brazilian rosewood board and those great old Dynasonics and all the American made hardware, high grade wood and craftsmanship. The Baldwin stuff was bad, I agree with you there but owning/having owned a lot of the reissue stuff (Tenn Rose, Country Gent, Elliot Easton, Falcon, Sparkle & Pearl Jet) to say that it's anywhere close to what they were doing in the mid-50s is insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted January 6, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Rose colored glasses my friend. The Baldwin era Gretsch stuff was worse IMO than the Norlin era and CBS era Gibsons and Fenders. I'd much rather have a MIJ Gretsch from today. As far as the ultra-high end USA stuff, it's probably THE best stuff Gretsch has ever made - or right there with it insofar as build and materials quality. I have to disagree with you. I'll take my 1957 6120 with the Brazilian rosewood board and those great old Dynasonics and all the American made hardware, high grade wood and craftsmanship. The Baldwin stuff was bad, I agree with you there but owning/having owned a lot of the reissue stuff (Tenn Rose, Country Gent, Elliot Easton, Falcon, Sparkle & Pearl Jet) to say that it's anywhere close to what they were doing in the mid-50s is insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by erksin What 'game' did they change? Making Gibsons better than Gibson did at the time? I don't get it... Making a guitar much better than Gibson for much less money. I have a Hamer Sunburst #007. Out of my eight guitars it is by far the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by erksin What 'game' did they change? Making Gibsons better than Gibson did at the time? I don't get it... Making a guitar much better than Gibson for much less money. I have a Hamer Sunburst #007. Out of my eight guitars it is by far the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by erksin What 'game' did they change? Making Gibsons better than Gibson did at the time? I don't get it... Making a guitar much better than Gibson for much less money. No one else was doing it at that time. I have a Hamer Sunburst #007. Out of my eight guitars it is by far the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by erksin What 'game' did they change? Making Gibsons better than Gibson did at the time? I don't get it... Making a guitar much better than Gibson for much less money. No one else was doing it at that time. I have a Hamer Sunburst #007. Out of my eight guitars it is by far the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Van_Muddlestein Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by BG76 This is a joke, right? Gretsch guitars are nothing like what they were in the mid-late 50s. Sure, Baldwin made some crap but FMIC has hit an all time low. I thought it funny the author of the article didn't mention Cheap Trick with Hamer but if anyone has ever played a REAL Hamer (Danzig years) they're killer - much like a real Gretsch, BC Rich or Jackson. Dude, I've played some of the top of the line most expensive Gretsch guitars out there AND vintage ones and I think the new ones hold there own as much if not moreso. My band at one point when we were doing our thing was talking to Fender/Gretsch about endorsement stuff. I'll always defend their honor. Originally Posted by BG76 I would rather there was no new Gretsch, Hamer, Fender, etc... even if I couldn't afford the old ones at least the brands would still mean something. I'm not a hipster or a lawyer but I have a lot of old Gibson/Fender/Gretsch, etc.... What do hipsters do that make them so much money? They increase the demand and therefore the cost. Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Rose colored glasses my friend. The Baldwin era Gretsch stuff was worse IMO than the Norlin era and CBS era Gibsons and Fenders. I'd much rather have a MIJ Gretsch from today. As far as the ultra-high end USA stuff, it's probably THE best stuff Gretsch has ever made - or right there with it insofar as build and materials quality. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Van_Muddlestein Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by BG76 This is a joke, right? Gretsch guitars are nothing like what they were in the mid-late 50s. Sure, Baldwin made some crap but FMIC has hit an all time low. I thought it funny the author of the article didn't mention Cheap Trick with Hamer but if anyone has ever played a REAL Hamer (Danzig years) they're killer - much like a real Gretsch, BC Rich or Jackson. Dude, I've played some of the top of the line most expensive Gretsch guitars out there AND vintage ones and I think the new ones hold there own as much if not moreso. My band at one point when we were doing our thing was talking to Fender/Gretsch about endorsement stuff. I'll always defend their honor. Originally Posted by BG76 I would rather there was no new Gretsch, Hamer, Fender, etc... even if I couldn't afford the old ones at least the brands would still mean something. I'm not a hipster or a lawyer but I have a lot of old Gibson/Fender/Gretsch, etc.... What do hipsters do that make them so much money? They increase the demand and therefore the cost. Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe Rose colored glasses my friend. The Baldwin era Gretsch stuff was worse IMO than the Norlin era and CBS era Gibsons and Fenders. I'd much rather have a MIJ Gretsch from today. As far as the ultra-high end USA stuff, it's probably THE best stuff Gretsch has ever made - or right there with it insofar as build and materials quality. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by dparr Making a guitar much better than Gibson for much less money. No one else was doing it at that time. I have a Hamer Sunburst #007. Out of my eight guitars it is by far the best one. That's not changing the game. That's playing the same game with somebody else's ball. And that goes to the whole point of how Hamer was never able to step outside of Gibson's shadow and why they cease to exist as a company today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members erksin Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by dparr Making a guitar much better than Gibson for much less money. No one else was doing it at that time. I have a Hamer Sunburst #007. Out of my eight guitars it is by far the best one. That's not changing the game. That's playing the same game with somebody else's ball. And that goes to the whole point of how Hamer was never able to step outside of Gibson's shadow and why they cease to exist as a company today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted January 6, 2013 Members Share Posted January 6, 2013 Originally Posted by erksin That's not changing the game. That's playing the same game with somebody else's ball. They were not Gibsons in any way. Much better. Yep, they were game changers. How many 70' Hamers have you played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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