Members Jeff Seal Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Owens jeff..is this your work.???. (if it is..its real nice !!! )... Why yes!...yes it is:) the 2204 was shipped here from Arkansas and was basically retrofitted with a new board, keeping the original PCB,pots and jacks all intact with no changes made to it.. original... This way the "vintage value" is preserved. Same with most of the amps I mod. JS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by OneArmedScissors Oh, please. The quality of how an amp looks on the inside? Next thing you know, people will be talking about the quality of SOUND. You don't get it.....that is a picture of a finely made point to point amp.......simplicity at it's finest and sound at its purest form. I don't even know what kind of amp that is, I didn't even look, but it is definitely modeled after an early 60's 100 Watt PTP Marshall. I would have to say that this amp will probably sound great if it has good transformers and the layout is good. If the wires that are in parallell and run side by side to each other are not compatable, then you have a different story, but I doubt that that has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by DeathMonkey Hiwatt, motherfuckers, Hiwatt. I have always been amazed at Hiwatts....they are so very simply wired, almost like there is hardly anything even in there......AMAZING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by blargh tape = quality Good God what a mess.....LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CatsGoMoo Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Owens jeff..is this your work.???. (if it is..its real nice !!! )... Not only is his work neat and VERY unobtrusive, I'll be the first to say that Jeff's mods sounds fan-fucking-tastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by Ralph Stephens sorry my pic sux Is that the Mesa? I see an aweful lot of PCB in there.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CatsGoMoo Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by SKYNETRP Is that the Mesa? I see an aweful lot of PCB in there.......... My money says it's an Uberschall. PCB... so what? Many (if not most, now) of the best amps of all time were PCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Owens jeff..is this your work.???. (if it is..its real nice !!! )... I think you are still missing the point...they arent showing you this for the neatness, it is the Point To Point they are showing you.......well, the ones that are PTP.....lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by CatsGoMoo My money says it's an Uberschall. PCB... so what? Many (if not most, now) of the best amps of all time were PCB. "Of all time" is a mighty bold statement my friend. And the boutique builders are all going back to PTP building. But I didn't post here to get into the age old arguement about PTP verses PCB. Alll 4 of my amps are PCB and I love them, but I definitely still admire the late 60's 100 watt point to point Marshalls........best amp ever built besides Hiwatt. Every new high powered amp today still emulates the 60's Marshalls sound, and then they add a bunch of new sounds too.. I am considering gettting myself a Bogner, especially after hearing the ones used on RS INXS...........incredible sound. One more thing....if you took the best amp out there today built with PCB, and rewired them PTP (if that is possible), it would sound even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CatsGoMoo Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by SKYNETRP "Of all time" is a mighty bold statement my friend. And the boutique builders are all going back to PTP building. But I didn't post here to get into the age old arguement about PTP verses PCB. Alll 4 of my amps are PCB and I love them, but I definitely still admire the late 60's 100 watt point to point Marshalls........best amp ever built besides Hiwatt. Soldano SLO Uberschall Bogner Ecstasy (all variations) the Rectifier Series the Mark Series the Fuchs amps and tons more. Do you realize how much of a pain in the ass it is to create a really flexible switching amp without some kind of PCB? I don't know where you get the idea that "all the boutique builders are moving back to PTP" I've owned a ton of amps, also. Just listen to the amp. As long as it sounds great to you and is durable, it doesn't matter if they made it out of Laffy Taffy. I will say that I prefer PTP amps because they're generally easier to repair (As long as they're neatly laid out. I can think of quite a few ptp amps that are still a royal pain to work on.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 For the last fucking time, THERE IS NO TONAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PCB AND PTP well, assuming they are both well-designed. An amp's tone is 99% in the circuit design and the parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 For the record, Bruno amps SOUND amazing. I dunno what the fuck goes on inside em, but what comes out of em is fucking bitchin. I personally don't care if those ARE chicken guts inside slain with the Vorpal Blade of Kthulu, roasted in the Blood of Bloody Eternity and sauced with the Big Doomy Burrito of The New Lamb, anyone want to give me THEIR Bruno, I'll take it. But I have considered getting a tattoo of those Hiwatt innards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by SKYNETRP "Of all time" is a mighty bold statement my friend. And the boutique builders are all going back to PTP building. But I didn't post here to get into the age old arguement about PTP verses PCB. Alll 4 of my amps are PCB and I love them, but I definitely still admire the late 60's 100 watt point to point Marshalls........best amp ever built besides Hiwatt. Every new high powered amp today still emulates the 60's Marshalls sound, and then they add a bunch of new sounds too.. I am considering gettting myself a Bogner, especially after hearing the ones used on RS INXS...........incredible sound. One more thing....if you took the best amp out there today built with PCB, and rewired them PTP (if that is possible), it would sound even better. Boutique builders have very rarely used PCBs, it's inpractical to use for the quantities of amps they produce, and their simplicity. Has everyone on the internet been completely brainwashed by this stupid PTP myth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CatsGoMoo Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by DeathMonkey For the record, Bruno amps SOUND amazing. I dunno what the fuck goes on inside em, but what comes out of em is fucking bitchin. I personally don't care if those ARE chicken guts inside slain with the Vorpal Blade of Kthulu, roasted in the Blood of Bloody Eternity and sauced with the Big Doomy Burrito of The New Lamb, anyone want to give me THEIR Bruno, I'll take it. But I have considered getting a tattoo of those Hiwatt innards. Yeah, that's a good point. Those Brunos sound fucking killer. My 2-Rock Custom Reverb also sounded freaking amazing, and it wasn't exactly the nicest amp to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by CatsGoMoo Soldano SLO Uberschall Bogner Ecstasy (all variations) the Rectifier Series the Mark Series the Fuchs amps and tons more. Do you realize how much of a pain in the ass it is to create a really flexible switching amp without some kind of PCB? I don't know where you get the idea that "all the boutique builders are moving back to PTP" I've owned a ton of amps, also. Just listen to the amp. As long as it sounds great to you and is durable, it doesn't matter if they made it out of Laffy Taffy. I will say that I prefer PTP amps because they're generally easier to repair (As long as they're neatly laid out. I can think of quite a few ptp amps that are still a royal pain to work on.) I agree, like I said, all 4 of mine are PCB, but I am still going to buy either a Mojave or a Splawn one day because I still love that pure powertube saturation that I used to get when I had 4 double stack PTP Marshalls. They got stolen, and so did my heart back in 1982. I have managed to take a decent amp and re-think how to use it and made a great sounding amp that I can get really nice power tube saturation, but I don't use ANY of the preamp gain stages now, atleast as little as humanly possible. My amp is a 6+0 gain amp, and is set up a lot like your Soldano...as a matter of fact the lead channel is almost identical according to one of the builders at Soldano...........except the Soldano is a 5+0 gain stage. So I have nothing against PCB amps at all......but I love PTP vintage and PTP Reissues too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by DeathMonkey For the record, Bruno amps SOUND amazing. I dunno what the fuck goes on inside em, but what comes out of em is fucking bitchin. I personally don't care if those ARE chicken guts inside slain with the Vorpal Blade of Kthulu, roasted in the Blood of Bloody Eternity and sauced with the Big Doomy Burrito of The New Lamb, anyone want to give me THEIR Bruno, I'll take it. But I have considered getting a tattoo of those Hiwatt innards. Yeah, but for the price they sell at I don't think its too much to expect good worksmanship as well... just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cloudnine Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 NOS Capacitors Forgive me if I'm wrong, but arent old caps generally bad? Dont caps go bad over time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by cloudnine NOS Capacitors Forgive me if I'm wrong, but arent old caps generally bad? Dont caps go bad over time? YEP! And they are supposed to be replaced every 10 years. The very first thing that you do to a vintage Marshall is replace all the caps ASAP, and NOT with Orange Drops either!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SKYNETRP Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 This is the inside of a Mojave Peace Maker......outstanding: This is one beautiful Amp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff Seal Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by SKYNETRP YEP! And they are supposed to be replaced every 10 years. The very first thing that you do to a vintage Marshall is replace all the caps ASAP, and NOT with Orange Drops either!! I gotta disagree with you there, I rarely replace the caps you're referring to unless they're passing DC. I get 50's Fender's that leave the shop with most of the coupling, tone stack caps still original.... Anyone else have thoughts, maybe I'm wrong here.. Jeff Seal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CyanideChrist Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by blargh tape = quality Only if its electrical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtyChains Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Yeah, some of them look real purdy. I will take a nice thick well designed PCB board over PTP wiring anyday. I cannot tell you the countless hours I used to spend at work finding wires that were almost or broken inside the insulation, cold solder joints done poorly, and cracked solder joints. When this stuff happens heat often builds up or an arch happens and it takes out other parts with it. You are not looking at the inside of an amp when you are playing it and the fucking tone is in most peoples head, all things being equal. If you took the same PTP wired amp and put the same components on a well designed board you could not hear the difference if you tried. Wire does not make an amp sound better folks. Disagree if you want, but my past history of medical equipment repair tells me different. We are talking life saving equipment here. I will take my Bogner, Mesa, and VHT amps over any PTP amp as long as the tone is what I want. If an amp had the tone I was looking for I would over look the PTP wiring and buy it, but I would expect more problems with the PTP amp. It takes just as much R&D, if not more, to design a proper PCB based amp too. To each his own. Tone and long term durability are the 2 main factors most people look for in an amp. A recent amp here on HCAF had the durability part in question along with lies to customers. I will admit only time will tell if the board amps will stand up to 40 years of use like many classic PTP amps. 20 years have passed since true quality board amps have been around and they are holding up great. I expect them to last just as long, if not longer than any PTP amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cib11mike Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Here's our PTP with a PCB for switching. For what it's worth I believe there is no tone difference gained by PTP over PCB. I just think that for your money you should get a little art work along with your sound. PCB and PTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yourguitarhero Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Matamp owns 'em all. Apart from that Hi-Watt - they're about the same inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted April 13, 2006 Members Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by Jeff Seal I gotta disagree with you there, I rarely replace the caps you're referring to unless they're passing DC. I get 50's Fender's that leave the shop with most of the coupling, tone stack caps still original.... Anyone else have thoughts, maybe I'm wrong here.. Jeff Seal I have heard from people that know quite a bit more than I that as long as the caps are used regularly, they can maintain their effectiveness for indefinite amounts of time. But if the amp sits for too long, they dry out and become faulty. So an amp from the 50's that has been used regularly could feasibly have working caps, whereas a newer amp could sit for ten years and have to have all the caps replaced. I don't know for sure, I know caps in a lot of old amps are replaced as a precaution - my Major sat in a warehouse for 8 or so years and needed new caps, but my old Bandmaster was regularly used and still had its original caps. Perhaps one of our resident amp gurus can clear this up. blargh - yeah, I agree with you there, for the money a little time can be spent cleaning that shit up. SKYNETRP - that is a gorgeous amp, inside and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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