Members zzzxtreme Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 med, maybe to keep the weight down ? im surprised as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Harp Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 Good question: why are there particle boards on the bottom of most Japanese keyboards with a graded hammer action? Has this some dampening effect or is it just cheaper? US (Kurzweil) and European (Nord) manufacturers use metal for the bottom of their keyboards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtrance Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 Probably mostly has to do with weight, shipping costs, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Syntex Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 Or planned obsolesce. Get ready for KRONOS 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nobeatnik Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hmm, my Roland FP-5 digital piano also has a particle board bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 I wish someone would explain this wood thing, because in 25 years of buying synths none of them have had wood bottoms. Not even my Moog Voyager which is mostly wood has one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AnotherScott Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 First time I get to see the bottom panel of the Kronos. Is that compressed wood such as this?Why not a metallic panel? Is it because wood is better for supporting the internals? What do you think? Probably helps provide structural rigidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 My 24 year old KX88 has a particle board bottom. The Juno-106 has a particle board bottom. This isn't some new "omg they used cheap materials!" thing going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted June 30, 2011 Members Share Posted June 30, 2011 My 24 year old KX88 has a particle board bottom. The Juno-106 has a particle board bottom. This isn't some new "omg they used cheap materials!" thing going on here.so you're saying they've always used cheap materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 this is a non-issue. customers cannot and do not specify exacting construction specs and/or what material should be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members liliththekitten Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 Poly-61 bottom and sides are thick particle board. I think DSS-1 has a particle board bottom which makes it heavier than the DW-8000 which has a metal bottom. I said bottom 3x hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keyrick Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 I saw an 88 at Jim's music in OC, CA today. It was still in the box and it was sold, but I guess they are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 yeah perhaps it's a design thing. that panel should be harder, more costly to manufacture I guess? because steel is in oversupply. maybe the panel is of higher quality and thickness, compared to cheapish Yamaha KX8 (not KX88). but yeah, it's weird for a $3K keyboard. its present even in the 61,73 key version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mediterranean Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 Poly-61 bottom and sides are thick particle board. I think DSS-1 has a particle board bottom which makes it heavier than the DW-8000 which has a metal bottom.I said bottom 3x hehehe Yes, but it's also what you see at 1:00mn that makes it weigh a ton:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 I saw an 88 at Jim's music in OC, CA today. It was still in the box and it was sold, but I guess they are available. O RLY?? Well, I guess I know where I'm going to be sometime this weekend! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 Your AFAIK is incorrect. If you select one of the 16 tracks in a Motif mixing, the knobs give you access to filter cutoff and resonance, amp EG ADR (but not S for some reason), EQ, arpeggiator settings, effects depth and 2 assignable parameters (per part!) while the sliders give you volume control for each part. They all send over MIDI so as long as the external gear plays nice with CC assignments you can control some of that, too. Yamaha's Performances have never been like Korg Combis...even if you go back to ancient workstations like the SY77. On Korgs, the Combis and Sequencer modes are pretty much the same as I recall. Yamaha's Performance mode seems to bug a lot of people, but it never bothered me...I don't use it Using Songs and Patterns as multitimbral setups makes sense to me because that's how my old Ensoniq SQ-80 used to work. I learned the hard way when I replaced the SQ-80 with a Motif ES that I needed to learn Yamaha's way of doing things rather than being upset when it didn't work like the SQ-80. I'm sure if I suddenly switched to a Kronos there would be a long list of things that would drive me insane because it doesn't work like a Motif One off the top of my head is the DAW controller features of the Motif simply don't exist in the Kronos or any other workstation. Ahh but you're using Master Mode with Songs it sounds like. Not sure if that's a different scenario knob/slider wise? I don't like to work in sequencer mode for live playing. Sorta like the old GM modules of the day.I had an EX5 before my Motifs and it was a GREAT controller for a live rig. Though it's layering capabilities internally left much to be desired apart from other flaws. Had some charming character to it though. If the motif had used the EX's implementation for controlling external gear(While keeping the ability to do more than one layer), the Motif would have been a near perfect synth. Interesting you mention an SQ-80. Still have my ESQ-1! My first synth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keyrick Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 O RLY?? Well, I guess I know where I'm going to be sometime this weekend! Thanks! Pup, I would call before you go to see if they have one out to demo. The one I saw was still in the box and they said it was already sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 1, 2011 Members Share Posted July 1, 2011 I've been meaning to just go look around anyway, maybe I'll get lucky and they'll have one out on the floor. Or at least a Kronos of SOME flavor. They're only a few miles down the 5 from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MuzikB Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 Just got back from Guitar Center where I had another play on a Kronos 61. I had more time to play on one this time and I have to say that I really liked it sound wise as well as the look of it. I still have some reservations on the build quality and thought that sometimes, there was a bit too much going on for the size of the touch screen. It's a fine board that I believe still needs some structural tweaks. I'll be keeping my M3 and still look forward to more from Korg. The bad as I see it: No Kaoss PadFont is too small at times for good touch screen use on some screens. (You'll be better served with a pointer.)No M1 PianoBuild quality (The vector joystick metal cap came right off on the one in GC. I told a store rep that he should glue it on immediately or risk loosing it.) The Good as I see it: Excellent soundGreat look (I like the black)Several synth types in one instrument IMHO, Korg just needs to improve on the build quality. I expected better build quality in an instrument that costs as much as a motorcycle. Honestly, as nice and great sounding as it is, I don't think that it warrants it's $3000 price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'm not sure really - how much do you think it should've cost? I don't think a lower price was possible unless an even greater sacrifice regarding build quality and components was made...LOL @ M1 piano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MuzikB Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'm not sure really - how much do you think it should've cost? I don't think a lower price was possible unless an even greater sacrifice regarding build quality and components was made... LOL @ M1 piano. IMHO, they simply improved on a lot of the software they already had and improved the converters. This along with the current build quality doesn't warrant the $3000 price tag. $2400 tops for a 61 and perhaps $3000 for a 88 key version. And yes the lack of the M1 piano is a detriment IMO. The M1 piano is a signature Korg piano and is widely used in not only House music, but Contemporary Jazz and Fusion as well. A companies staple sounds should never be discarded. It's a shame Kurzweil doesn't have any. Korg: M1 piano, Several Wavestation sounds. Yamaha: CP Piano, Lately Bass, FM-Rhodes Roland: Several D50 and JV sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 Well, if you find it on yours, let me know. Just got mine today. Yah, there's one there. GM bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 These build quality observations don't speak well for the Kronos (although I have never seen one myself). IMHO, any 61-key instrument that costs $3,000 (before tax) should have the build quality of a Virus TI. $3,000 is a ton of money for a 61-key workstation, regardless of what's under the hood. Will definitely scare potential buyers, given what else is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 The build quality issues are WAY blown out of proportion. My Kronos 88 came in today and I see NO issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MuzikB Posted July 2, 2011 Members Share Posted July 2, 2011 The build quality issues are WAY blown out of proportion. My Kronos 88 came in today and I see NO issues. Be careful with that vector joystick. But it does sound damn good doesn't it!? I just think that the build of the M3 is better besides the other niggles I had with the Kronos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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