Members sufidancer Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 "I do not recall.":rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Save The Pine Weasel Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 No, he was too busy getting his dick sucked by Monica Lewinsky to worry about stupid {censored} like protecting the country. Oh, I see. Bypassing Constitutional checks & balances is "protecting the country". Well, it all makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blackwater Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 No, he was too busy getting his dick sucked by Monica Lewinsky to worry about stupid {censored} like protecting the country. I would rather have a guy who likes his dick sucked, then a guy who likes to butt{censored} his citizens:DBill was a douche, but GW is just a cold blooded murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fxrs Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Good, I'm glad you understand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sufidancer Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 I do not see a argument here. The freaken current admin is fraught with incompetant men who believe they're own rhetoric. They have to, because to do otherwise would mean they are criminal and no one within shouting distance of the president wants to open up that can of worms. I see a grandious presidental pardon for all coming just before the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brandenburg Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 And what does having an affair have to do with his abilities as a leader? In a word "Ethos" .. Its not the fact he had an affair so much as he did it in the oval office.... Thats like {censored}in a whore in a church on sunday morning IMO.... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exafro Posted August 30, 2007 Members Share Posted August 30, 2007 Glad to see him gone, but the damage has already been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purplexi Posted August 30, 2007 Members Share Posted August 30, 2007 They didn't catch him doing anything illegal or he would have been arrested and,the people he had fired were of no consequence.My ONLY problem with the idiot was his lack of conviction during the hearings.When they asked him stuff like "Why did you,blah,blah,blah? Instead of replying with that "I Don't recall" crap,why don't more of these guys that are going down in political flames answer,"Uh,whatever,{censored} you!" or "As if you even care,go {censored} yourself",and the classic,"Ahh,go blow it out yer' ass!" America would at least remember a guy like that with some fondness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Weathered Posted August 30, 2007 Members Share Posted August 30, 2007 Anyone see this?http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/30/gonzales.probe/index.html Perjury is never a good thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brandenburg Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 They didn't catch him doing anything illegal or he would have been arrested and,the people he had fired were of no consequence.My ONLY problem with the idiot was his lack of conviction during the hearings.When they asked him stuff like "Why did you,blah,blah,blah? Instead of replying with that "I Don't recall" crap,why don't more of these guys that are going down in political flames answer,"Uh,whatever,{censored} you!" or "As if you even care,go {censored} yourself",and the classic,"Ahh,go blow it out yer' ass!" America would at least remember a guy like that with some fondness. The way he answered the congress let that very much in doubt of whether he did something wrong or not.. Truth is irrelevent.. Perception of truth is....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sgt. Funk Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 She has more class in her 'cu!t" than you have in your entire body. The evidence is in your post lol. Right wing nuts have had their days in the sun under Bush and {censored}ed it up all to hell. Just do everyone a favor and go back to your barstool where u belong and leave politics to the adults. Um...did you perhaps mean...{censored}? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 The phrase that now springs to mind is "leaving Dodge one step ahead of a noose". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phishmonkey Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 Since when is it ILLEGAL to fire someone? And can u do it if u dont like thier politics/stances? I mean you hired them for a reason, cant you fire them? Im NOT being a wise ass but where is this entitlement bull{censored} i hear from some people? See how many of these people were fired? - did the media make as much noise back then? http://blog.thevanguard.org/363/clintons-1993-purge-of-us-attorneys/PS - Its VERY common for cabinet members to NOT serve through the 2nd full term, for both Dems + Reps leave and do other things such as serve in the private sector, etc.. You are not allowed to fire people because you don't like who they are prosecuting. Alberto was using his position in the justice department to silence the opposition of the republican party. A hospital can't fire a doctor because they told him to only work on white people and he didn't comply. You can't fire an attorney because you told them "Only prosecute democrats" and they didn't comply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psychodave Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 She has more class in her 'cu!t" than you have in your entire body. The evidence is in your post lol. Right wing nuts have had their days in the sun under Bush and {censored}ed it up all to hell. Just do everyone a favor and go back to your barstool where u belong and leave politics to the adults. Um, okay. I will go back to my right wing bar stool. After all, I deserve a break since I have a great job and I am damn sure I pay more in taxes than you make in a year. I just like to voice my hatred for the Liberal Bastards that tax me to {censored}ing death. BTW, Pelosi is a big {censored}ing {censored}. The only {censored} bigger is Hillary. If people are stupid enough to vote for her, they deserve her. I though I heard somewhere that Castro supports Obama and Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phishmonkey Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 Um, okay. I will go back to my right wing bar stool. After all, I deserve a break since I have a great job and I am damn sure I pay more in taxes than you make in a year. I just like to voice my hatred for the Liberal Bastards that tax me to {censored}ing death. BTW, Pelosi is a big {censored}ing {censored}. The only {censored} bigger is Hillary. If people are stupid enough to vote for her, they deserve her. I though I heard somewhere that Castro supports Obama and Hillary. Wow, what a well put argument. I'm glad our education such as South Africa the Iraq has made our future brighter by producing such well spoken individuals as yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rememberduane Posted August 31, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 Um, okay. I will go back to my right wing bar stool. After all, I deserve a break since I have a great job and I am damn sure I pay more in taxes than you make in a year. I just like to voice my hatred for the Liberal Bastards that tax me to {censored}ing death. BTW, Pelosi is a big {censored}ing {censored}. The only {censored} bigger is Hillary. If people are stupid enough to vote for her, they deserve her. I though I heard somewhere that Castro supports Obama and Hillary. You do realize that your worst enemy as far as taxes go has been George W. Bush (and the Republican congress of the first term), right? When the government is in surplus, it can lower taxes while maintaining the same expenditure levels and have several years before a deficit is reached (or simply bring income and expenditures to even and maintain the surplus). George Bush signed off on an extremely unbalanced budget. He pushed through tax cuts which increased the deficit while creating a new governmental department and hemorrhaging money into Iraq. Someone down the line is going to have to raise your taxes to even that out, and you'll probably blame them instead of the person behind the underlying reason for those tax hikes. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Bush's acceptance of the "New Right" ideologies, neoconservatism and neoliberalism, end at the former and instead replace the economic ideology of neoliberalism with a veiled form of (an irresponsible and immoral bastardization, but still unmistakable) Keynesian economics. Now, I don't like Obama or Hillary either (or Pelosi for that matter), but you're just getting plain childish. The Castro jab above is nearly as bad as the "the terrorists love Kerry" retardation that came out of the republicans during the '04 elections, but with double idiocy because Castro isn't a direct threat to the United States. Why aren't you able to provide a coherent reason for your disapproval of politicians rather than just "they're cunts"? I can only surmise that your understanding of politics is lacking due to your inability to express the problems of policy with the aforementioned politicians. For example: I think Hillary is glory-seeking in that she wants to be the first woman president no matter what, and as such doesn't really care for the good of the country. She panders to special interest groups and has a wish-washy "middle of the road" approach to social issues at best, much like Bill did -- which was actually my main problem with the Clinton administration. I find Obama to be an inexperienced puppet, pushing the (real -- not the ridiculous bull{censored} ignorant right-wingers try to pin on democrats) party line bar a few minor issues, which is obnoxious to say the least. I'm not a fan of using religion to win votes, and I still can't agree with the moral values of a candidate who wants to maintain the death penalty (please see recent Texas execution of the DRIVER in a robbery-gone-bad). I also feel he hasn't laid down a coherent fiscal policy -- in fact, neither he nor Hillary have done so. And even if they did, I probably wouldn't be a fan because I'm a fiscal conservative. Classic fiscal conservative that is, not this neocon bull{censored}, to the point you could call me neoliberal. Stop seeing politics like a baseball game, it's not. Stop making accusations without being able to back them up. Learn more about politics and economics. I don't imagine you're so morally bankrupt that you think that what's best for you is best for the country, but you made it seem that way in the above post. I suggest a more reasonable approach, wherein you provide reasons. You can even resort to name-calling so long as you have content to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rememberduane Posted August 31, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 Snip You can't fire anyone for political reasons, sorry, you can't. This has nothing to do with entitlement, but fair job security. The issue here is that ONLY the President could have fired the federal prosecutors, NOT Alberto Gonzales. They serve at the president's discretion, confirmed by congress. If Bush had fired them himself, all would have been well and good legally, but he didn't want to draw attention to a few things. Read on. The firings are especially interesting after the Patriot Act. Previously an interim US Attorney had a limited mandate of 120 days during which the interim Attorney was either confirmed or a replacement was found. Under the Patriot Act, the President can maintain the stay of an interim Attorney infinitely by not putting him or a replacement before Congress. These are not confirmed US Attorneys and thus are not subject to the checks and balances of our government. See the issue here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 17 Tubes Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 I would rather have a guy who likes his dick sucked, then a guy who likes to butt{censored} his citizens:D Bill was a douche, but GW is just a cold blooded murder. 1 - James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.3 - Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.5 - C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992... Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."7- Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.16 - Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.21- Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas, death was no accident.24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.27 - Kevin Ives and Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 198830 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.33 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."34 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.35 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: 36 - Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37 - Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley 39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel 40 - Major General William Robertson 41 - Col. William Densberger 42 - Col. Robert Kelly 43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes 44 - Steve Willis 45 - Robert Williams 46 - Conway LeBleu 47 - Todd McKeehanAnd opposing this list is Snopes:http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.aspNote: (I paraphrase) "For a man whocan;t bang an intern without every nigging detail on the wire, can we believe he offed all his friends without impunity?"Too bad we can;t use the same rationale for Bush. And Snopes does some tap-dancing around their own facts as well. I'm not saying all that list is fact. Certainly mysterious. Bush is a cold-blooded murderer? SO every President that sent troops anywhere in the world is murderer as well. Or just having troops makes the whole country murderers...I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Save The Pine Weasel Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 I'm not saying all that list is fact. Certainly mysterious.It was the space beam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 SNIP I would delete that post. It's by far the dumbest thing I've seen posted on HCAF. You're posting a chain letter which has been refuted over the course of years on a conspiracy theory with no weight and on top of that, citing a source that debunks on a case by case basis every name on that list. You're just going ot make yourself look really bad with that post. Really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rememberduane Posted August 31, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 I would delete that post. It's by far the dumbest thing I've seen posted on HCAF. You're posting a chain letter which has been refuted over the course of years on a conspiracy theory with no weight and on top of that, citing a source that debunks on a case by case basis every name on that list. You're just going ot make yourself look really bad with that post. Really bad. Who would have guessed? I'm glad I have him on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psychodave Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 You do realize that your worst enemy as far as taxes go has been George W. Bush (and the Republican congress of the first term), right? When the government is in surplus, it can lower taxes while maintaining the same expenditure levels and have several years before a deficit is reached (or simply bring income and expenditures to even and maintain the surplus). George Bush signed off on an extremely unbalanced budget. He pushed through tax cuts which increased the deficit while creating a new governmental department and hemorrhaging money into Iraq. Someone down the line is going to have to raise your taxes to even that out, and you'll probably blame them instead of the person behind the underlying reason for those tax hikes.In fact, I would go so far as to say that Bush's acceptance of the "New Right" ideologies, neoconservatism and neoliberalism, end at the former and instead replace the economic ideology of neoliberalism with a veiled form of (an irresponsible and immoral bastardization, but still unmistakable) Keynesian economics.Now, I don't like Obama or Hillary either (or Pelosi for that matter), but you're just getting plain childish. The Castro jab above is nearly as bad as the "the terrorists love Kerry" retardation that came out of the republicans during the '04 elections, but with double idiocy because Castro isn't a direct threat to the United States.Why aren't you able to provide a coherent reason for your disapproval of politicians rather than just "they're cunts"? I can only surmise that your understanding of politics is lacking due to your inability to express the problems of policy with the aforementioned politicians.For example: I think Hillary is glory-seeking in that she wants to be the first woman president no matter what, and as such doesn't really care for the good of the country. She panders to special interest groups and has a wish-washy "middle of the road" approach to social issues at best, much like Bill did -- which was actually my main problem with the Clinton administration.I find Obama to be an inexperienced puppet, pushing the (real -- not the ridiculous bull{censored} ignorant right-wingers try to pin on democrats) party line bar a few minor issues, which is obnoxious to say the least. I'm not a fan of using religion to win votes, and I still can't agree with the moral values of a candidate who wants to maintain the death penalty (please see recent Texas execution of the DRIVER in a robbery-gone-bad). I also feel he hasn't laid down a coherent fiscal policy -- in fact, neither he nor Hillary have done so. And even if they did, I probably wouldn't be a fan because I'm a fiscal conservative. Classic fiscal conservative that is, not this neocon bull{censored}, to the point you could call me neoliberal.Stop seeing politics like a baseball game, it's not. Stop making accusations without being able to back them up. Learn more about politics and economics.I don't imagine you're so morally bankrupt that you think that what's best for you is best for the country, but you made it seem that way in the above post. I suggest a more reasonable approach, wherein you provide reasons. You can even resort to name-calling so long as you have content to back it up. This is funny. You are on an internet guitar/ music forum (and a {censored}ty one at that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 This is funny. You are on an internet guitar/ music forum (and a {censored}ty one at that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rememberduane Posted August 31, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 Which reads... "I just got owned by a kid half my age and since Im not quite educated enough to refute any of the points he has made, Ill pretend like Im too busy to read or respond, even though Ive been arguing throughout the entire thread." Um, what?!? Thanks man. Hey, have you recorded anything new with the band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psychodave Posted August 31, 2007 Members Share Posted August 31, 2007 Which reads... "I just got owned by a kid half my age and since Im not quite educated enough to refute any of the points he has made, Ill pretend like Im too busy to read or respond, even though Ive been arguing throughout the entire thread." Um, what?!? Quite the contrary. Good try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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