Members themadscientist Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 wtf? close enough to aim for a limb or leg accurately deadly force was not warranted there, {censored}ing abuse of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rear Naked Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 wtf?close enough to aim for a limb or leg accuratelydeadly force was not warranted there, {censored}ing abuse of power Shoulda shottem in the knee amirite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wrongnote85 Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7a0IkBVZdo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JR13 Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 could've jsut released the dog when he had his back turned... I think the moral of this story is don't attack cops with a crowbar and don't stand within swinging distance of a guy with a crowbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 wtf? close enough to aim for a limb or leg accurately deadly force was not warranted there, {censored}ing abuse of power ^ unfamilliar with the use of force continuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members themadscientist Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 ^ unfamilliar with the use of force continuum. he's an idiot for going at the cops with a crowbar, but we really should expect more out of the people carrying the guns there was more options on the table than just 11 shots to center mass justified or not legally, this is ethically disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members this is paul Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 pcp is a helluvadrug. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ~Abstract~ Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 Don't go to Hardees (Carls Jr) and you won't have this problem.Don't carry a crowbar and attempt to kill a cop with it.There were plenty of options for the dead guy to live. He disregarded them.I'm kinda glad he's not draining the taxpayers pockets sitting in jail/prison right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaguelee Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm thinking the kids' laughter was more of a nervous reaction than anything. Never know how you might react seeing something like that up close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fretless Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 Cops 1 / DAOTD -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dicky sofa Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 {censored} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeloAngelo Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 Don't go to Hardees (Carls Jr) and you won't have this problem. Don't carry a crowbar and attempt to kill a cop with it. There were plenty of options for the dead guy to live. He disregarded them. I'm kinda glad he's not draining the taxpayers pockets sitting in jail/prison right now. HEY!!!!!! carl's jr is {censored}ing delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted January 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm thinking the kids' laughter was more of a nervous reaction than anything. Never knowhow you might react seeing something like that up close. Oh, I know how I would react. Bowel movement'a'plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 he's an idiot for going at the cops with a crowbar, but we really should expect more out of the people carrying the gunsthere was more options on the table than just 11 shots to center massjustified or not legally, this is ethically disgusting you have a continuum of force: words >hands > baton/spray > tazer > firearm. you can see what level was required. a crowbar is a deadly weapon. one strike to the temple could have killed an officer. life for a life. if on PCP, with a face tazering having no effect, leg shooting wouldnt do anything. its also against training to shoot other than center mass. if pcp-man would have put that crowbar in the officers head, this thread woul read "shoulda shot him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dicky sofa Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 If you're into that whole anal leakage thing... HEY!!!!!!carl's jr is {censored}ing delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members themadscientist Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 you have a continuum of force: words >hands > baton/spray > tazer > firearm.you can see what level was required. a crowbar is a deadly weapon. one strike to the temple could have killed an officer. life for a life. if on PCP, with a face tazering having no effect, leg shooting wouldnt do anything. its also against training to shoot other than center mass.if pcp-man would have put that crowbar in the officers head, this thread woul read "shoulda shot him" shooting someone in the leg will always have an effect, pcp or not It's against training, but maybe training should be altered to include the non lethal use of a firearm dude was no doubt an idiot for doing this, but gunned down in a parking lot when there's three other cops and a dog there....sorry, won't ever think that's right nor should it be he raised the crowbar, but he wasn't moving quickly at all, the officer could have kept some distance between himself and the suspect there were options other than getting in this face, within striking distance, and then putting him down guy was high, cops acted poorly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members decode6 Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 you have a continuum of force: words >hands > baton/spray > tazer > firearm.you can see what level was required. a crowbar is a deadly weapon. one strike to the temple could have killed an officer. life for a life. if on PCP, with a face tazering having no effect, leg shooting wouldnt do anything. its also against training to shoot other than center mass.if pcp-man would have put that crowbar in the officers head, this thread woul read "shoulda shot him" Yea, I'm pretty sure police are trained to shoot to incapacitate so that would rule out limb shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ~Abstract~ Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 HEY!!!!!! carl's jr is {censored}ing delicious. I'm gonna HAVE to assume you're kidding.Carls Jr/Hardees is one (small) step up from hospital food. Never having had prison food, I can't really comment...but I'd figure it's pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 thickburgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 One less piece of gutter slime taking up space in prison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ~Abstract~ Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 shooting someone in the leg will always have an effect, pcp or not It's against training, but maybe training should be altered to include the non lethal use of a firearm dude was no doubt an idiot for doing this, but gunned down in a parking lot when there's three other cops and a dog there....sorry, won't ever think that's right nor should it be he raised the crowbar, but he wasn't moving quickly at all, the officer could have kept some distance between himself and the suspect there were options other than getting in this face, within striking distance, and then putting him down guy was high, cops acted poorly Maybe we should tell people not to attempt to kill cops, lest they themselves be killed?Nah. Have you ever been high? Did you attempt to murder a cop? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted January 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm not an expert with guns or anything, but unless the muzzle was against skin, I'm goig to assume shooting a knee that has a face of about 4-5" wide is a pretty difficult shot while holding a dog with one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 shooting someone in the leg will always have an effect, pcp or notIt's against training, but maybe training should be altered to include the non lethal use of a firearmdude was no doubt an idiot for doing this, but gunned down in a parking lot when there's three other cops and a dog there....sorry, won't ever think that's right nor should it behe raised the crowbar, but he wasn't moving quickly at all, the officer could have kept some distance between himself and the suspectthere were options other than getting in this face, within striking distance, and then putting him downguy was high, cops acted poorly i think we can agree on some of these points. in the timeframe though, you have to shoot where it counts. no time to {censored} around with limb shots. you miss, oops. target was moving and too small to hit. torso would have been better. you hit, no effect, {censored}. hes in threat zone now. shouldve gone torso. see what i mean? there are always different ways to handle it. the current rules of engagement handle them all as best as possible, but certainly not best case in every scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y0UNGBL00D Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm not an expert with guns or anything, but unless the muzzle was against skin, I'm goig to assume shooting a knee that has a face of about 4-5" wide is a pretty difficult shot while holding a dog with one hand. also, this. try shooting one handed. i shoot low and left. you may differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members themadscientist Posted January 24, 2012 Members Share Posted January 24, 2012 Maybe we should tell people not to attempt to kill cops, lest they themselves be killed? Nah. Have you ever been high? Did you attempt to murder a cop? Why? never done PCP, but anything else that I've been high on didn't put me in the murdering mood...much the opposite teach the cops some martial arts/self defense, not everything has to be answered with a {censored}ing bullet....they get paid to put their lives on the line, not to just kill anyone in the vicinity of dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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