Members sahlomonic Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I've been noticing a lot of pro guitar players with Floyd Rose trems on their guitars, and no bar, and no use. For example, Zoltan from Five Finger Death Punch. Why a custom built guitar built to your specs, with a PITA trem that you don't ever use? I've noticed this with Paul Glbert too. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Just because they don't use it in the band doesn't meant they don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Assy- Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 If you thinkthey ever actually do their own set-up on that pain in the ass tremolo, you are a {censored}ing moron. If I were having a custom guitar built, I would have a tremolo put on it even though I don't really use it all that much. I understand how to adjust them and set them, so it wouldn't bother me. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Are Floyd's a pita? Been playing Floyd guitars since 1989 and if a guitar doesn't have a trem it could be a deal breaker.A Floyd guitar only takes me 5 mins to set up. It's not like it's rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wrathchild1 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Just because they don't use it in the band doesn't meant they don't use it. wtf? does he use it in his other band. or just in his bedroom when no one is looking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sheik_Yerbouti Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I've been noticing a lot of pro guitar players with Floyd Rose trems on their guitars, and no bar, and no use. For example, Zoltan from Five Finger Death Punch. Why a custom built guitar built to your specs, with a PITA trem that you don't ever use? I've noticed this with Paul Glbert too. Am I missing something? I used to think Floyds were PITAs, too, until I owned one and realized it's the most tuning-stable bridge money can buy, and if you change one string at a time, it takes very little more time than a tune-o-matic style bridge. Unless you're changing string gauges or tunings, you should almost never have to fool with adjusting the bridge level, either. Nothing "PITA" about them, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iff Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 It's possible that they like the feel of the bridge and its tuning stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'd rather have a hardtail bridge and a locking nut for tuning stability than a full Floyd. But, I don't like trems much, either. Or TOM/stop tailpiece bridges much, for that matter. I've owned Floyds, they're not a big deal, it's just way more machinery than I need or use, and I prefer to keep things as stupid simple as I can get away with. What with being stupid and simple myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Assy- Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'd rather have a hardtail bridge and a locking nut for tuning stability than a full Floyd. But, I don't like trems much, either. Or TOM/stop tailpiece bridges much, for that matter. I've owned Floyds, they're not a big deal, it's just way more machinery than I need or use, and I prefer to keep things as stupid simple as I can get away with. What with being stupid and simple myself... I built a Les Paul with this and a locking nut. I never had to loosen the nut unless I switched strings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 wtf? does he use it in his other band. or just in his bedroom when no one is looking? Does it matter? Dude doesn't write songs that use a trem on a guitar with one... not sure what the boggle is, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 My point is, why have a feature on your custom built guitar if you won't use it? For guitarists who can have any guitar they want handed to them for free, built and painted how they want, why put a trem on it? Why not build a custom Les Paul and throw in a Floyd just for the hell of it? Maybe using the term PITA was not the right term, but why add the setup time (for whoever sets it up)? Maybe thrash metal guitarists should put Fenders and Dumbles in their rig, "just in case". Obviously I'm being extreme with that jab, but I have to wonder if there is an element I'm not thinking of with unused trems on custom built guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bish0p34 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I've owned 2 Les Pauls, 2 LTD ECs, and an ESP EC and I find that a real Floyd or an Ibanez Edge stay in tune much better for me. I don't use the bars much anymore, have them blocked from being pulled up, and have D-Tunas on the Floyd. I tune them when I get to a gig and they stay in tune the rest of the night. I've never had that kind of luck with a fixed bridge using Gibson, Grover, Schaller locking and Sperzel locking tuners. The whole thing with Floyds is setting them up properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sheik_Yerbouti Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 My point is, why have a feature on your custom built guitar if you won't use it? For guitarists who can have any guitar they want handed to them for free, built and painted how they want, why put a trem on it? Why not build a custom Les Paul and throw in a Floyd just for the hell of it? Maybe using the term PITA was not the right term, but why add the setup time (for whoever sets it up)? Maybe thrash metal guitarists should put Fenders and Dumbles in their rig, "just in case". Obviously I'm being extreme with that jab, but I have to wonder if there is an element I'm not thinking of with unused trems on custom built guitars. Did you miss the part about the tuning stability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 My point is, why have a feature on your custom built guitar if you won't use it? For guitarists who can have any guitar they want handed to them for free, built and painted how they want, why put a trem on it? Why not build a custom Les Paul and throw in a Floyd just for the hell of it? Maybe using the term PITA was not the right term, but why add the setup time (for whoever sets it up)? Maybe thrash metal guitarists should put Fenders and Dumbles in their rig, "just in case". Obviously I'm being extreme with that jab, but I have to wonder if there is an element I'm not thinking of with unused trems on custom built guitars. Ever write a song or riff that didn't use one string? Better get a 5 string guitar for that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I've been noticing a lot of pro guitar players with Floyd Rose trems on their guitars, and no bar, and no use. For example, Zoltan from Five Finger Death Punch. Why a custom built guitar built to your specs, with a PITA trem that you don't ever use? I've noticed this with Paul Glbert too. Am I missing something? A lot of these guys have the trem blocked and like the floyd just for the tuning stability of a dual locking system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I've owned 2 Les Pauls, 2 LTD ECs, and an ESP EC and I find that a real Floyd or an Ibanez Edge stay in tune much better for me. I don't use the bars much anymore, have them blocked from being pulled up, and have D-Tunas on the Floyd. I tune them when I get to a gig and they stay in tune the rest of the night. I've never had that kind of luck with a fixed bridge using Gibson, Grover, Schaller locking and Sperzel locking tuners.The whole thing with Floyds is setting them up properly. That's probably the answer I was looking for, thanks! Next question: Are there locking bridges that are not tremolo based (other than the LP bridge posted above)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Ever write a song or riff that didn't use one string? Better get a 5 string guitar for that song. Max Cavalera's guitars - minus two strings because he doesn't use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeppelin Rules Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Paul Gilbert hasn't played guitars with trems since about 1988. Some guys start out with Floyd bridges and just find them comfortable. Even if I don't use the trem on my Warmoth, I can still play faster on that guitar than any of my others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeadNight Warrior Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'm not a big trem user, but I prefer the feel over a Floyd style bridge over any other. That and the tuning stability. Even if I have no intention to use the bar at all, I still prefer it to be there. Not having it there just feels odd to my right hand for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iff Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 That's probably the answer I was looking for, thanks!Next question: Are there locking bridges that are not tremolo based (other than the LP bridge posted above)? The Ibanez MTM1 I had a while back had a fixed Edge III with a locking nut...that bridge was super comfy and the guitar had amazing tuning stability. Don't see fixed bridges with locking nuts too often though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 wtf? does he use it in his other band. or just in his bedroom when no one is looking?some guitarists actually record as well as play live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Speaking of Ibanez, they have a couple models with this bridge that really addresses the comfort people associate with Floyds.http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RG921QMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Speaking of Ibanez, they have a couple models with this bridge that really addresses the comfort people associate with Floyds. http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RG921QMF Nice guitar. Certainly piqued my interests with that bridge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gwimlock Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Paul Gilbert's current sig Fireman has a fixed bridge, and he uses his Airplane Flanger for most of his trem effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Valtiel Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 As has been mentioned, a lot of people just really like how a Floyd feels under the right hand. Plus the tuning stability, a double locking design eliminates the two major points of friction which = {censored} stays in tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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