Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 I agree with the bolded part for all weapons. The rest of it is pure garbage... Why do you agree with the bolded part? Are you familiar with the NFA? Registration is one thing. NFA registration is a whole different ballgame. The only reason to go NFA is to tax the {censored} out of it. Are we trying to make people safer here or just cost me a bunch of money just because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 I agree with the bolded part for all weapons. The rest of it is pure garbage... I'm on the fence with it, but we license/register cars so it shouldn't be viewed as any different. However, that won't stop them from being used illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sahlomonic Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 I agree with the bolded part for all weapons. The rest of it is pure garbage... I'm on the fence with it, but we license/register cars so it shouldn't be viewed as any different. However, that won't stop them from being used illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by diocide Serious (or as serious as this thread is going to get) legal question. If you see a drunk driver, can you shoot him and not be held legally responsible? Or let's remove guns totally, and can you run someone off the road, into a jersey barrier if they are drunk, and avoid legal reprocussions? If you could prove he was an imminent threat to someone at that moment then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by diocide Serious (or as serious as this thread is going to get) legal question. If you see a drunk driver, can you shoot him and not be held legally responsible? Or let's remove guns totally, and can you run someone off the road, into a jersey barrier if they are drunk, and avoid legal reprocussions? If you could prove he was an imminent threat to someone at that moment then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by sahlomonic I'm on the fence with it, but we license/register cars so it shouldn't be viewed as any different. However, that won't stop them from being used illegally. How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by sahlomonic I'm on the fence with it, but we license/register cars so it shouldn't be viewed as any different. However, that won't stop them from being used illegally. How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. I'm about to legislate my "gun" into your ass. How's that for a loophole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. I'm about to legislate my "gun" into your ass. How's that for a loophole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2 I'm about to legislate my "gun" into your ass. How's that for a loophole? I love ass play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2 I'm about to legislate my "gun" into your ass. How's that for a loophole? I love ass play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2 Why do you agree with the bolded part? Are you familiar with the NFA? Registration is one thing. NFA registration is a whole different ballgame. The only reason to go NFA is to tax the {censored} out of it. Are we trying to make people safer here or just cost me a bunch of money just because? I'm not familiar with the taxes involved, no. I just don't like the idea of guns being unregistered/untraceable. Having them registered obviously won't solve all the issues, but it sure beats the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mesa4x12er2 Why do you agree with the bolded part? Are you familiar with the NFA? Registration is one thing. NFA registration is a whole different ballgame. The only reason to go NFA is to tax the {censored} out of it. Are we trying to make people safer here or just cost me a bunch of money just because? I'm not familiar with the taxes involved, no. I just don't like the idea of guns being unregistered/untraceable. Having them registered obviously won't solve all the issues, but it sure beats the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. Well, the simple fact is I actually need/use my guns for purpose. I don't have a safe filled with guns with a swastika poster draped over them. I don't even really, "like" them. But, it's a tool like anything else. I hunt every now and then, only when I have a taste for wild game (which is seriously almost never). I have to use my guns to control coyotes stealing livestock, boars uprooting Ag crops, stray aggressive dogs and as a protector to the {censored}ing loons that drop off burning cars and bodies out on our roads. I wish I didn't need them- but the fact is, I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. Well, the simple fact is I actually need/use my guns for purpose. I don't have a safe filled with guns with a swastika poster draped over them. I don't even really, "like" them. But, it's a tool like anything else. I hunt every now and then, only when I have a taste for wild game (which is seriously almost never). I have to use my guns to control coyotes stealing livestock, boars uprooting Ag crops, stray aggressive dogs and as a protector to the {censored}ing loons that drop off burning cars and bodies out on our roads. I wish I didn't need them- but the fact is, I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. Well, the simple fact is I actually need/use my guns for purpose. I don't have a safe filled with guns with a swastika poster draped over them. I don't even really, "like" them. But, it's a tool like anything else. I hunt every now and then, only when I have a taste for wild game (which is seriously almost never). I have to use my guns to control coyotes stealing livestock, boars uprooting Ag crops, stray aggressive dogs and as a protector to the {censored}ing loons that drop off burning cars and bodies out on our roads. I wish I didn't need them- but the fact is, I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? Yes, gun guys that tout the loopholes on how to "lose" guns or have them stolen will inevitably lead to crazier legislation that won't benefit anyone. Well, the simple fact is I actually need/use my guns for purpose. I don't have a safe filled with guns with a swastika poster draped over them. I don't even really, "like" them. But, it's a tool like anything else. I hunt every now and then, only when I have a taste for wild game (which is seriously almost never). I have to use my guns to control coyotes stealing livestock, boars uprooting Ag crops, stray aggressive dogs and as a protector to the {censored}ing loons that drop off burning cars and bodies out on our roads. I wish I didn't need them- but the fact is, I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Gary Cohn Well, the simple fact is I actually need/use my guns for purpose. I don't have a safe filled with guns with a swastika poster draped over them. I don't even really, "like" them. But, it's a tool like anything else. I hunt every now and then, only when I have a taste for wild game (which is seriously almost never). I have to use my guns to control coyotes stealing livestock, boars uprooting Ag crops, stray aggressive dogs and as a protector to the {censored}ing loons that drop off burning cars and bodies out on our roads. I wish I didn't need them- but the fact is, I do. Then how are you affected by my proposal to register guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Gary Cohn Well, the simple fact is I actually need/use my guns for purpose. I don't have a safe filled with guns with a swastika poster draped over them. I don't even really, "like" them. But, it's a tool like anything else. I hunt every now and then, only when I have a taste for wild game (which is seriously almost never). I have to use my guns to control coyotes stealing livestock, boars uprooting Ag crops, stray aggressive dogs and as a protector to the {censored}ing loons that drop off burning cars and bodies out on our roads. I wish I didn't need them- but the fact is, I do. Then how are you affected by my proposal to register guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? . The Federal Government gives them to them...........Fast & Furious (cough, cough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy How do you think they get in the hands of these bad guys? . The Federal Government gives them to them...........Fast & Furious (cough, cough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Then how are you affected by my proposal to register guns? It doesn't. All my guns are legal and registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary Cohn Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Then how are you affected by my proposal to register guns? It doesn't. All my guns are legal and registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 I'm not familiar with the taxes involved, no. I just don't like the idea of guns being unregistered/untraceable. Having them registered obviously won't solve all the issues, but it sure beats the alternative. Some states require registration. Basically a database of who has what. Then there is NFA. This is what suppressors, and sawed off shotguns, shortbarrels, and class 3 machineguns are under. As it stands there is a $200 tax stamp that goes along with all of the other regulations etc which I would be willing to be will go up. It seems to me they are trying to rake in some cash and basically force people to either become a criminal by not registering NFA or breaking your bank. They are saying even each magazine would be an NFA item. So if you have even a small collection of {censored} you're looking at many thousands of dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa4x12er2 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by guitarbilly74 I'm not familiar with the taxes involved, no. I just don't like the idea of guns being unregistered/untraceable. Having them registered obviously won't solve all the issues, but it sure beats the alternative. Some states require registration. Basically a database of who has what. Then there is NFA. This is what suppressors, and sawed off shotguns, shortbarrels, and class 3 machineguns are under. As it stands there is a $200 tax stamp that goes along with all of the other regulations etc which I would be willing to be will go up. It seems to me they are trying to rake in some cash and basically force people to either become a criminal by not registering NFA or breaking your bank. They are saying even each magazine would be an NFA item. So if you have even a small collection of {censored} you're looking at many thousands of dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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