Members the russ Posted September 22, 2005 Members Share Posted September 22, 2005 Originally posted by TIP Recorded this in my barn, in an odd way. First the singer and I recorded an acoustic guitar and voice guide track on to a 1/2 inch 8 track. Then a week later I had the drummer show up and record drums to the guide track. Only had 3 mics but they were good ones. I put a U87 about 6 ft in front of the kit about chest high to the drummer, then a AKG 414 over the drummers left shoulder about 6ft high pointing at the snare, the 3rd mic is anothe 414 on the right hand side of the kit pointing at the drummers shoulder. This is a common 3 mic technique and I think it worked ok to capture what the kit sounded like in the room. Then we transfered the drum tracks and guide tacks to ProTools and I started layering stuff,and got rid of the guide tracks. Guitars recorded with a 414 and U87 for some room, the amp was a Deluxe reverb, a Gibson Les Paul for solo, strat for rythm, Gibson B-25 for acoustic,B-25 restrung with Nashville tuning, Bass a G&L direct thru homemade passive direct box. Used a Lexicon PCM60 for most of the reverb. We ended up recording this again in a pro studio but this version still sounds better, probably cause I had so much time to mess with it and get the perfomances right. Hope you enjoy http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=7889 this is {censored}ing great, man. i like the production vibe, and it's a really good song to boot. call me crazy, but it reminds me a lot of the Gin Blossoms or mid-90's alt-rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 26, 2005 Members Share Posted September 26, 2005 Check out this nice recording of a father and daughter duet. This is the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted September 26, 2005 Author Share Posted September 26, 2005 hethaerto4, that was a nice recording. I've always liked that song. Cool guitar tone too... but IMO, it's a bit "wide" on the stereo. Maybe pull that stereo delay in a little tighter? IOW, I'd try a little shorter delay time to narrow it a wee bit. But the tones are good and the mix balance sounds really good. Nicely done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 26, 2005 Members Share Posted September 26, 2005 Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe hethaerto4, that was a nice recording. I've always liked that song. Cool guitar tone too... but IMO, it's a bit "wide" on the stereo. Maybe pull that stereo delay in a little tighter? IOW, I'd try a little shorter delay time to narrow it a wee bit. But the tones are good and the mix balance sounds really good. Nicely done! Thanx, Phil. Yeah, it seems I'm the only one who digs that wide stereo acoustic guitar. Myabe I should've used a central heavy acoustic track and supplemented with the stereo trax. The song's no longer on my hard drive. Maybe next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted September 26, 2005 Author Share Posted September 26, 2005 I like wide acoustics too.. especially when you have a really stripped down mix like that, with only a few elements. IMO, it was just a bit TOO wide though... but that's what comes down to personal preferences. I certainly had zero beefs with the overall guitar tone. Nice job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 26, 2005 Members Share Posted September 26, 2005 Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe I like wide acoustics too.. especially when you have a really stripped down mix like that, with only a few elements. IMO, it was just a bit TOO wide though... but that's what comes down to personal preferences. I certainly had zero beefs with the overall guitar tone. Nice job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 ProducerNate, It's rare that I listen to a recording on this or many other recording forums where I actually like the drum sound. Most people seem to put the drums in the most LIVE room they've got available, throw up one cheap condensor as far away from the kit as possible, and call it good. This yields room sound that is louder than the actual kit, and that frickin pisses me off! Drums are my favorite element in rock music. Your drums sound pretty good. I'm just happy that I'm not listening to the room instead of the kit. So thanx! Actually, the drums could use some work, but at least the basic recording is workable. Was that enough about drums? I really liked the electric keyboard tones. The singer's track needs some work, too. It's lacking definition and presence. Maybe it's the singer that needs some presence? I have difficulty with the lead vocal myself, so maybe somebody else could offer some advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by gsHarmony I just started using an orchestral sample library and wanted some opinions on a short little demo I did to get myself familiar with it. http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~gstitt/fullorchestra.mp3 I basically just used a simple theme and then tried out different orchestrations. I've never had to automate midi volume so much until I started using this library. It really takes a lot of work to sound close to realistic. I was curious to hear how the mix sounds on everyone else's speakers. I think the piano could probably use a little more reverb to help push it back a little. Feel free to comment on the mix, the music, or whatever. Thanks The drums sounded great! The strings sounded dull in contrast with the rest of the mix. The strings being the dominate element should be more commanding, a little brighter. I guess them being samples or whatnot, dynamix are difficult to fake. Nice music. Did I say how much I liked the drums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by DonaldDemon Great thrad by the way. Here are 3 songs we have almost finished. Actually "Human tornado" was done yers ago and it is what it is at this point so no comments needed. The other two are almost done but are not coming out right. They aren't our best songs so we did these first before the other songs on the eventual album. Problem #1 is the "engineer" is a kid who doesn't know jack {censored} and is unreliable. So we are finishing the first 4 songs and then moving on to a different studio. My main complaint is that it is not capturing the true energy of the songs. I attribute this to the mix for the most part. Our goal is to make a decent album to sell at shows and whatever though I know we cannot afford a professional sonding album. i just want the emotions and essence of the song to be captured. Please listen and comment on anything you want. It will all be appreciated! Cheap Sedated Hams I seriously think your guys should change your band name to :"The Human Tornado". That fits your sound so much better that "Cheap Sedated Hams". Great songs. Very original style, at least to my ears. The myspace media player is garbage. Any other place we can hear your songs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by dethmetalanimal the local guitar shop around here just started stocking alot of behringers stuff. i went in today and checked a good bit of it out, i came home with the GDI 21. it's a effects pedal/DI box. basically a tech 21 samsamp clone. i recorded this direct. it's not perfect but it'll be great for late night recordings, and that's what i got it for. Transylvania I used to own the GT2 by Tech 21. I would say that you used way too much gain, at least for the GT2. Does the Behringer RIP-OFF! have the secret gain switch position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by kurdy I posted this in the Recording Forum, but I didn't get much of a response. I'm thinking it was so great that nobody knew what advice to give , or so bad that it was beyond any advice that could help it. I have sort of a beginners set-up, not "state-of-the-art" by any means, but I would like to make the most out of the limited gear I do have. Anyway, here's my original post: I've been involved with home recording/mixing for sometime and although I have improved somewhat, I'm never completely satisfied with the result. My goal is to one day be able to make recordings that sound somewhat professional, though I realize I still have a ways to go, which can be quite frustrating, artistically. Anyway, I could really use some opinions on a recording/mix I just did. Please let me know what you think. http://www.soundclick.com/artist/7/keithdominique_music.htm Also, apologies for posting this in a separate thread. I'm new to this forum, and didn't see the dedicated thread at the top of the page. If I could request that the moderator delete my previous thread, it would be appreciated. It's a bit embarrassing. I liked the song, but I'm not sure I liked the EXECUTION of the song. The dude's voice irritated me, though he did sing with heart. I would like the song more, but it seems to have a plastic undertone that grates at me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TrashFace Posted September 28, 2005 Members Share Posted September 28, 2005 www.myspace.com/stevermusic give a listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nosamiam Posted October 2, 2005 Members Share Posted October 2, 2005 My band got asked to be on local compilation CD, so we picked one of our more "throwaway" songs and recorded it at home. This is my first attempt at tracking/mixing and I was hoping to get some feedback. What do you all think? What does it need? http://www.theheliumtapes.com/sounds/Caligula.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted October 2, 2005 Members Share Posted October 2, 2005 Originally posted by nosamiam My band got asked to be on local compilation CD, so we picked one of our more "throwaway" songs and recorded it at home. This is my first attempt at tracking/mixing and I was hoping to get some feedback. What do you all think? What does it need? http://www.theheliumtapes.com/sounds/Caligula.mp3 Maybe you could use a different song. Compilation CD's are useful for free promotion, so you should use a song that at least YOU the mixer actually like, so that you will work very hard to get it sounding good, instead of "good 'nough". You should work harder to get a wider sounding drum kit of which everything is audible.. I heard the snare in the left speaker, and a cymbal in the right. That's all I heard for drums. The lead guitar played constantly regardless of what the song was doing, even right through those chimes (which sounded nice. The chimes, that is). The bass guitar was the loudest instrument, and that's wrong. EQ the loud-ass midrange down and make it work for you. The lead guitar is loaded with cheap spring reverb. Is this dude using a Line 6 amp? I did like your use of space, though. You had everything in it's own little quadrant, and that's very good. Get back to work, and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nosamiam Posted October 2, 2005 Members Share Posted October 2, 2005 Yes! Just the kind of stuff I was looking for. Thanks! I shouldn't have too much trouble widening the drums. I've got a lot of room to pan. The guitar is actually a 12-string (which our player uses exclusively) going into a Laney tube amp, close-miked with a 57. The spring reverb is the one on the amp. He tends to use it a lot (the reverb) during rehearsal and gigs. His background is in garage and if I asked him, I imagine he'd say its part of his signature sound. Should we record him dry, do you think, adding reverb later? Or maybe even record direct (he hates the idea) and then re-amp the track to try to convince him that maybe less works better than more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted October 2, 2005 Members Share Posted October 2, 2005 Originally posted by nosamiam Yes! Just the kind of stuff I was looking for. Thanks! I shouldn't have too much trouble widening the drums. I've got a lot of room to pan. The guitar is actually a 12-string (which our player uses exclusively) going into a Laney tube amp, close-miked with a 57. The spring reverb is the one on the amp. He tends to use it a lot (the reverb) during rehearsal and gigs. His background is in garage and if I asked him, I imagine he'd say its part of his signature sound. Should we record him dry, do you think, adding reverb later? Or maybe even record direct (he hates the idea) and then re-amp the track to try to convince him that maybe less works better than more? I record drums with two overheads, an Audix i5 on snare, and an Audix D6 on kick. I try to record in a treated room as well. I hate room sound on drums. Room sound and ambience are two different things. The over heads will give you some ambience, taking away the upfront immediacy. Make sure the dude can tune his kit. Polish the cymbals so they'll ring instead of clang. Definitely keep recording the amp with the 57. Get the mic as close as possible to the outer edge of the speaker. With headphones on, have him play while you slightly adjust the mic until you like the tone. You're going to need tons of olume to get it sounding strong and full, in my opinion. It is a tube amp, and tube amps don't come alive until you push them really hard. The original tone in your recording sounded very thin. He probably has his EQ scooped. You'll need to adjust his EQ while he plays. You'll need lots of midrange, and not very much bottom. I tend to cut the {censored} out of the top end, but that's my taste. Sometimes guitarists refuse to kill the reverb completely, but a good compromise is to set it about 30%. That way it's there, but not too obvious. You've got a strong bass guitar tone, so I wouldn't change too much there except cutting the midrange to make room for everything else. Do you guys have a better song with some dynamix and maybe even some singing? I'm glad to see your desire to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nosamiam Posted October 3, 2005 Members Share Posted October 3, 2005 Good ear! Yes, our room is pretty much untreated. That's something we're going to work on before we do any more recording. I used a pair of MXL SDC's as overheads, a Studio Projects LDC for snare/hat back a little bit and toward the bottom (didn't use the pad and they ended up liking the sound of the overdriven mic) and an AKG D112 on kick. I think treating the room will go a long ways towards making it sound better. It took a LOT of EQ to get those MXL's to sound decent. Our guitarist is quite opinionated, kind of rash, and he's been playing for a really long time. This sometimes adds up to quick judgements from him that aren't always sound. He's a "slap a mic in front of it, no effects" purist kind of guy. But he always comes around eventually. We just have to sneak in some nice touches and then tell him how we achieve them. He's a pleasure to work with really, and he really makes us work on our diplomacy. Drum kit tuning? What's that? J/k. Our drummer has only actively tuned his kit once from an online guide I printed for him! But he's lately taken a big interest in sounding better. He just really doesn't know where to start. Thanks for the tip about the cymbals!!! And thanks for the guitar EQ tips. I'll definitely try to incorporate them. We do have much better songs and this is our only instrumental. We just thought this would be a good song to get our feet wet since it's a relatively simple one. Thanks a lot for suffering through our song and offering the pointers. We had a really short suspense date, and the mix is due tomorrow, so I'll take another crack at it and then I'm off to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted October 3, 2005 Members Share Posted October 3, 2005 Cool. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keka Posted October 5, 2005 Members Share Posted October 5, 2005 Ok heres a little electronic music http://zebox.com/ticka/ I entered a competition on another board Titled "sample MIXUP" 5 of us posted 2 samples each and we were too use nothing but those samples and our computers and samplers..We could process and chop them up as much as we wanted ,we just had too use those samples... the original samples were pretty bad ,I somehow got inspired from them and made this track.. I dable with electronic Music in between time with my band. I mainly want too know what you think of the production.Input on the song would be nice also,im thinking about adding some vocals and maby a little guitar if I can fit it in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hethaerto4 Posted October 6, 2005 Members Share Posted October 6, 2005 Keka, I'm sorry, but I honestly have no input for you. If your mix was built upon real elements recorded with a microphone played by real people, then I could give you some feedback. Not that the genre you subscribe to is not genuine, it's just that I really don't get it. I listened twice to your song, or mix, but I couldn't get into it. Sorry, Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keka Posted October 6, 2005 Members Share Posted October 6, 2005 Originally posted by hethaerto4 Keka, I'm sorry, but I honestly have no input for you. If your mix was built upon real elements recorded with a microphone played by real people, then I could give you some feedback. Not that the genre you subscribe to is not genuine, it's just that I really don't get it. I listened twice to your song, or mix, but I couldn't get into it. Sorry, Allen Thanks for the responce!..Im guessing you not a fan of electronic music? It started out as 10 seperate 1-4 sec wave files and i composed,proccesed,automated and played over keys on my MIDI controler. Realy there is nooooo way in hell you could do anything close too what is done in electronic music with the good old fashoned Guitar and "real elements" it is impossible.It just brings a whole new level of creativity too music that has never been done and could never have been done until now.Thats what electronic music fans and musicians look for(myself anyway) ..Its all about pushing sonic boundys that old skool musicians just cant do or understand. Why did parents not like rock and roll when it was first braught too the table?? because they didnt understand it. Why did parents of the 80s hate metal??Because they didnt understand it. Why do partents hate HipHop today??They dont understand it. and so on....People dont like things that they dont understand and automaticaly become ignorant too them.Well i guess not in all cases there are things that i understand(at least i think i do)and still dont realy care for.Like most new Hip hop is total rubish some of the beats are ok but for the most part Rubish! Same old crap over and over..Will the 808 ever die?? Ill post something that ive been working on with my band soon you will be a little more up too speed with that..I see myself as a decent bass player but Im just getting into recording "real elements" and i would like some feedback.. Again thanks for the responce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C JoGo Posted October 18, 2005 Members Share Posted October 18, 2005 A little fun with Lennon... ACROSS THE UNIVERSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Ok folks, here's one for ya. Looking for comments on the mix/sound/textures. This is my song "Sides of Us" sans words. . .waitin' for the AT2020 to track vocals again Here's the rest of the lineup. . . Fruity Loops Yamaha 4-string bass (direct) Tele Squier Bullet Peavey Backstage 50 (solo was thru a Boss HM-2) Nady SP-9 Behringer Eurorack UB1002 Tracktion Anyway, let me know what you think, what needs improvment (besides my gear! ) Sides of Us (unfinished) @ Soundclick ---edit--- It's a bit repetetive and boring without the words. . .once you get thru the first verse and chorus, the bridge is at 2:18 and the solo at 2:45. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by C JoGo A little fun with Lennon... ACROSS THE UNIVERSE I wish I could play guitar like that. Very nice, very relaxing. Sounded good man, the acoustic was a little bright in my crappy computer speakers, but whaddaya expect, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C JoGo Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by fallbackdown I wish I could play guitar like that. Very nice, very relaxing. Sounded good man, the acoustic was a little bright in my crappy computer speakers, but whaddaya expect, eh? The brightness is probably me always requesting new strings for a session, from an artists..and the guy can play .. >> heres my path : may have something to do with the bright side ~~~ Rode NT 3 on the neck & AT 4033 on body...and a Rode NTK about 8 feet back for the "room." Manley DVC pre to a SEK'd converter ....effects were all TC electronics & a LXP5 ...a parameter in the Behringer 2496 gave the wide stereo--and final EQ/Comp >> to a Masterlink glad you gave a listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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