Members Volitan Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 There is a music business exec and historian on Howard Stern right now.He's talking about all the songs that people have copied.He says that on the latest Zeppelin pressings,Plant & Page are no longer credited as songwriters on many of their hits.The old Blues masters are now being listed as the songwriters.They played a song by the group Spirit, that sounds just like the intro to Stairway To HeavenLed Zepellin used to open for Spirit.This historian is angry and wants Zepellin removed from the R&R Hall of Fame Yeah, and those blues master probably got it from someone else. So {censored} that. Everyone is the blues world stole or borrowed songs.Zeppelin only got in trouble because the got rich off of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulintheuk Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 What's the big deal? I thought everyone knew that Zep just "rocked up" other peoples tunes? I always gave them credit as showmen and musicianship/recording ability... But not for creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrockbridge Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 A vast syncretic synthesis western culture is.George Lucas better credit these sources in "The Clone Wars" or suffer the wrath of some movieologist on Howard Stern: KurosawaTolkienThe New TestamentChristian Apochryphal LiteratureAncient Greek LiteratureEgypt Zoroastrian (Persian) Myths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bunghole Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 got a cool zeppelin book ,see sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raviolio Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 What's the big deal? I thought everyone knew that Zep just "rocked up" other peoples tunes? i think most musicians (and, perhaps to a lesser extent, avid music lovers) understand Zeppelin's heritage, influences, and :ahem: ...sources but those would be in the minority relative to the general music listening public... who probably don't know the difference between Muddy Waters and Roger Waters... or Willie Dixon and Donna Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrockbridge Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 What's the big deal? I thought everyone knew that Zep just "rocked up" other peoples tunes? I always gave them credit as showmen and musicianship/recording ability... But not for creativity. Yes...that is all they did...note for note copies of other peoples music and word for word plagiarism...that is their entire legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulintheuk Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 Yes...that is all they did...note for note copies of other peoples music and word for word plagiarism...that is their entire legacy. On some songs, yes, it was pretty much pure plagiarism, but a lot of acts started that way ie The Beatles and Stones first albums.I like Zep, but as has been mentioned, their "influences" can be pretty easily traced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RogerF Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 I always thought Led Zeppelin were a force of nature at their peak. Sure, Jimmy Page nicked his share of riffs as has anyone who is worth his or her snuff.Go here to download and check out the originals (e.g. Joan Baez - Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You vs. Page's arrangement) http://pyzeppelin.free.fr/download.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aenemated Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 No, they all suck, save Morrissey... but that is neither here nor there. How could you take a list that includes Newt Gingrich and "Olivia, Newt, and John" as artists seriously? i LOL'd@"olivia, newt and john" seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Merge Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 That is rather funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr JinX Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 I guess you have to expect this when young prettyboy englishmen take the blues, add a new coat of fuzz, acceptable white faces and are able to elevate themselves to levels of wealth rivaled by royal families. Yes, everyone plagarises, the only thing that affects accountability in this case is the accounting. LZ were hardly acceptable back in the day RogerF thanks for that link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 That tune by Spirit was "Taurus". You can borrow chord progressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members p4vl Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 LZ were hardly acceptable back in the day I know weren't the darlings of rock 'journalists', and I don't think they were malicious about borrowing. I think they were playing and paying tribute to music that moved them, and that applies to any other english and american band that was influenced by the blues. Eric Clapton has been doing penance for his fanbase not listening to Delta Blues for many many years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ra_ Posted March 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 George Lucas better credit these sources in "The Clone Wars" or suffer the wrath of some movieologist on Howard Stern: Stern himself has been trashing Lucas, for creating 3 crappy Star Wars films, much to the consternation of Robin, who is all buddy buddy with George, because they are now in 'Racing Driver School' together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr JinX Posted March 21, 2007 Members Share Posted March 21, 2007 Lol I am getting a huge kick listening to these tunes this is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members s3_buell Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Worlds greatest, most creative cover band? At least for a small portion of thier output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrockbridge Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 So, here is my plan now:(1) Write some great songs. (2) Secure the rights. (3) Get some good demos of the songs recorded. (4) Circulate the demos around the net and elsewhere along with a rumor that none of the songs have been copyrighted. (5) Hope that somebody with a lot of talent and drive steals one of the songs and has a hit. (6) Repeat steps 1 through 5. (7) If somebody does have a hit with one of the songs, file a lawsuit.With my 7 step plan to stealth song publishing, it should only take between 10 years and eternity for me to get wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dewees Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Taurus( the band Led Zepellin opened for ) Yeah - That's blatantly obvious. I don't think there's any arguing that. Changing it a little or doing it better doesn't make it any less stolen. Who knows - Maybe the most money the writer from Spirit ever made was the royalties he won in court for Stairway to Heaven. Maybe he was set for life from that one stolen song. I wish someone would steal some of my material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ashasha Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 I stopped reading after page 3 and I am sure that no one else is reading anymore new posts, so lawdy-frickin daw. I have two lines of thoughts here. One is that they should definitely put the original creator of any song on that song. We all know that back in the day everyone was doing the standards, remakes of other's songs and it was pretty standard. A lot of thievery and especially screwing over of black artists. This cannot be disputed IMHO. Not giving credit is wrong. Not paying royalties is stealing. But as far as taking away from them as a band, well there are still plenty of great songs that they did write and the ones that they 'borrowed' were performed by Zeppelin. You aren't going to mistake their rendition of any song for another group unless you are a window licker. They were a great band because of their style and sound and the way they presented the music. Its kind of like if I did a version of a song and Satch did one; which one would you want to listen to? Which one would be better? Its the same song, but I wouldn't get anywhere with it. If it was performed correctly it could be as big as Stairway. Hell its just music. If the royalties are straightened out then the mistake is fixed. It doesn't mean that they weren't a kickass band. I have yet to hear anyone sound like they did on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jerry_picker Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 If it was performed correctly it could be as big as Stairway. Hell its just music. If the royalties are straightened out then the mistake is fixed. It doesn't mean that they weren't a kickass band. I have yet to hear anyone sound like they did on a regular basis. Hell, I heard that *they* didn't even sound like they did on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 I have yet to hear anyone sound like they did on a regular basis.When I saw them live they were "very" bad! I was disillusioned with Led Zep.I hope they didn't sound the way I heard them on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members darkone15 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 When I saw them live they were "very" bad! I was disillusioned with Led Zep. I hope they didn't sound the way I heard them on a regular basis. when did you see them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members facefirst Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 They definitely ripped off a lot from other artists but they also wrote a ton of original awesome songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dparr Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 when did you see them? May 4th 1973: Braves Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members darkone15 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 its not about what is said in a song it is how it is said. Who cares what they took from other songs. As i said in my other post music is out there for every one to do what they will with it. Do all of you people pay royalties to the guy who wrote "happy birthday" every time you sing it, cause your suppose to. Hell Zeppelin doesnt make a huge fuss when some one rips their song off. Look at Dread Zeppelin, Robert Plant loves what Dread Zeppelin is doing. People need to stop taking themselves so seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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