Open letter to the Administartor/Moderator

[daklander]

Originally posted by audioicon I'll end by saying. Some people will agree to anything/everything just to be a part of something. If I can come in here and expressed my dismay without being "bashed" then it's worth sticking around. Audioicon

 

And, with few exceptions that's how it has been and continue to be.

An awful lot of bashing occurs principally due to the OP's original and resultant attitude.

 

Heh, what's even worse is having your last post to a thread kill it.

Now, that hurts...

[thankyou]

 

Originally posted by audioicon It will be for "global politics" and mostly geared towards the immigrant population and topics that cover Currupt African Leaders and situations on the continent.

I read a really insightful book called Out of America by Keith Richburg, a black American journalist who covered Africa for much of the nineties. He was especially shocked by the child warriors recruited by African warlords to kill each other. It was a great read by an author who, through his journalistic experience, could bring you to the scene.

 

I also got kind of fed up with the political forum, though I found much to be learned by visiting there. In a way, almost everything we do in life has some kind of political significance.

[MorePaul]

Pat;

 

what I think people have been saying here is that relevance to the forum's main thrust is merely one parameter in determining suitability.

 

Approach and tenor of a post can really affect how a thread evolves and is received by the community.

(just as you mention I stopped going to the SSS forum because it feels like everyone is shouting at the same time and some of the discussion were very extreme, something I wanted nothing to do with)

 

 

And I did say that this was not my forum and agreed that the administrator/moderator has the right to banned/closed/delete any post.

 

 

This might be a good example

 

notice how you phrased that "agreement"

 

You cannot create guidlines based on personal preference or beliefs. As I mentioned earlier this is your forum and you can decide what or whom post in it but this is my time and I also get to decide what I want to be a part of.

 

 

The topic sentence "you cannot..." is sort of antithetical to the 'do as you see fit' sentiment and the agreement reads as false concession as it is immediately followed by a negating "but" (there's an expression "everything the before the but is bull{censored}")

 

 

When I made the post I "felt like a musician expressing his frustartion"

 

 

That could be the crux of the issue, that you are frustrated and angry came throug loud and clear and simply drowned out the questions - they appeared to be largely rhetorical...even though there may be answers perhaps, you didn't consider

 

You have the Nile Virus, why didn't they call it the Mississipi Virus?

 

 

Because it was isolated in that area of Uganda abt 70 years ago

 

The CDC designations often come from where a disease was isolated...

The Norwalk virus...so named because it was isolated in Norwalk...Ohio, USA

The California Flu -- Santa Clara

 

AIDS...original designation - GRID -- Gay Related Immune Deficiency

 

 

 

I wish you the best of luck with your forum (this is not a platitude - I really do, which is why I'm being somewhat frank here) -- I sincerely urge you to consider that comments like

 

I'll end by saying. Some people will agree to anything/everything just to be a part of something. If I can come in here and expressed my dismay without being "bashed" then it's worth sticking around.

 

 

or

 

... that people who can't handled will try to avoid by any means, even if it means denying the problem exist or try to find suitable reasons for why the problems exits. Reasons that will make them feel better.

 

 

Are going to read as backhanded insults and could seriously jeapordize your desire of

 

I want to be a part of an online community that is not based on "Clique/posse" but rather fairness and respect for everyone.

 

 

The venom of anger and frustration could very easily kill not only your chance to communicate your message to others, but also the opportunity for you to learn (as we all can) from dialog

[Anderton]

I think it's fair to ask why I close some threads, don't close others, etc., but those looking for some kind of rational, measured, precise response will be disappointed because the answer is really "gut feeling."

 

For example, there have been a few threads posted in SSS recently that veered very close to Political Party topics. For those not aware of the history, I split off the Political Party from the original SSS because I was getting tired of the large number of political threads. Although some of them were of high quality, SSS wasn't supposed to be a forum dedicated to politics, although politics was (by its very nature) a part of the forum.

 

Since moving to HC, I've pretty much kept politics out of here. Lately, I let a few threads slide because the discussion was civilized, and I didn't think that would happen in the Political Forum. If you look back at the Kramer thread, you'll notice I came very close to closing it, but then the discourse got on track again.

 

Had the AIDS thead come up a few months ago, I probably would have let it stay. But coming on the heels of other threads, I felt that SSS had reached the tipping point of political threads for now. I didn't want to see that number increase, and I also felt that particular thread would get jumped on and become counter-productive fairly rapidly. That is based solely on the "gut feeling" of moderating this forum for the past decade.

 

It may seem arbitrary, but I guess that's why it's called "Craig Anderton's Sound, Studio, and Stage." I want to direct this forum in a particular path, and while I don't want OT threads to go away, I don't want them to take over, either. And the timing has to be right, as mentioned above.

 

It's like gardening: Sometimes you have to prune plants to maintain balance in the garden. Sometimes you have to plant more.

[Ani]

I have read tons of post, including one that talked about a guy looking at child porn at work, what did that have to do with music?

 

Actually, that thread was a heads up about employers monitoring the activity of their employees on company computers; even during their off time hours. There are many "field workers" that are equipped with portable laptops to complete work assignments. They might not think about the potential repercussions of casually browsing the web in the privacy of their hotel room during off hours...

 

Many of the folks on these forums have day jobs in addition to their music gigs; many of them work in the field and have company issued laptops or palm computers.

 

You are absolutely right! I should have known that NO musician would ever stoop to the filthy, dirty, and despicable activity of browsing a porn site under any circumstance. Forgive the intrusion into the SSS cyberspace with such trivial non-music related garbage.

 

But wait.... the SSS Forum was designed for OT posting....

[Ani]

Although the SSS was established as the official OT forum while still a part of the MusicPlayer Network, and then remained as such throughout the transition to Harmony Central; the Terms of Use, that every participant in these forums agrees to, outlines behaviors that will NOT be tolerated. Racial attacks are among those topics not tolerated.

 

Although YOU personally were not attacking anyone racially, you WERE setting the stage for a flame fest in the way you were presenting your subject. Within the first three posts in the thread, two of the most sensitive issues surrounding discrimination were tossed into the pile to kindle the fire; African-Americans and Gays. With two main ingredients like that feeding into the thread... the main course was a course for disaster; CHARBROILED would seem rare in comparison to what that thread could have turned into.

[audioicon]

During the Lebanon Israeli conflict was when I visited the SSS forum and I think "temper" was flaring and going over board.

 

I still go there sometimes to read reactions to political events but have not posted/participate.

 

I don't consider my letter personal, thats why I labelled it open letter, I could have sent it privately but I felt this incident would benefit everyone or people thinking about what to post.

 

I respect everyone in this forum and as much as I adore Craigs work, I also want to be able to feel comfortable expressing my dislike. I have a website with political articles and sometimes I get not so good e-mails but I usually just reply and say thanks for visiting, your response is noted and appreciated.

 

By the way "Morepaul" should be the next UN-Secretary general or work with the IAE, you have great intelligence.

 

 

Audioicon.

[the stranger]

Been meaning to ask, what's and Administartor?

[Ani]

This IS the SSS Forum!!! You must be referring to the SSS "Political" Forum which was divided off from this forum to keep politically and religiously oriented topics from flooding the topics here in Craig's forum. In days of old, prior to the separation of the SSS Poli forum and the well known Craig Anderton's SSS Forum, political discussions would push music related topics off of the front page and completely out of sight within a matter of an hour; sometimes in a matter of minutes.

 

There was a lot of trolling that went on that was very disruptive to the laid back atmosphere of the SSS forum. Some threads were being hijacked as quickly as they were posted, while others would sink to the bottom of the page and even fall off of the front page within minutes of posting. There were obnoxious posters starting a multitude of threads relative to the same exact political topic. Everyone wanted to be the star informer and the TRUE intent behind Craig's musically related forum was getting buried in the political mudslinging that was beyond control. The Polical Forum provided an isolated area where those wanting to debate religion or politics could hang without disrupting the flow of the SSS forum.

 

Disencumbering Craig's SSS Forum of the political and religious topics that dominated the SSS forum was one of the best things that could have possibly happened because it brought back the quality of content, for the most part, in Craig's virtual party.

 

Craig has said it here in this thread, at least twice (if not more), that he closed the AIDS thread based on "gut feeling". If you want to post the exact same thread over in the SSS Political Forum, chances are it would not be locked and you could enjoy the flame fest it would bring. However, in reading your previous post, I noticed this...

 

 

During the Lebanon Israeli conflict was when I visited the SSS forum and I think "temper" was flaring and going over board. I still go there sometimes to read reactions to political events but have not posted/participate.

 

 

This comment suggests that you want to state your agenda, but you want to thrust it onto people that prefer NOT to participate in political debate. You don't want to tangle with the big bad dogs where your post belonged, but you want to come into this forum and play the VICTIM by suggesting that you are being singled out for having posted an inflammatory thread that was closed by a moderator. In this case, YOU were the instigator and not the victim.

 

Want to discuss a topic such as ... Why can't they name AIDS "The African Virus" ??? Then post it in the SSS POLITICAL Party Forum or Open Jam. That is where the battlefields of the Harmony Central forums are located, NOT HERE... I doubt that anyone will delete it right away, but you might not be able to stand the heat that your post will generate in the Poli forum if the Lebanon Israeli conflict was enough to cause you to tuck your tail and run. If you can't take the heat, then don't fuel the fire. Open Jam, well..... there's a short attention span over there, so you will need to hurry with your responses back to those who are willing to take the time to reply or else your thread will sink to page three before you post your next comment.

 

As for Craig's space here in the SSS forum, he probably won't need to lock another topic of yours.... the SSS tends be self policing. We'll just hang a sign out on politically oriented threads that says "Please don't feed the trolls"

[Anderton]

 

 

It's what Craig Andertson does.

[daklander]

Originally posted by Anderton > It's what Craig Andertson does.

[fantasticsound]

Originally posted by Anderton > It's what Craig Andertson does.

 

I thought he played baseball?!? I'm so confused here these days....

[Anderton]

You're confused? I don't even know who I am!

[fantasticsound]

And you think I do? (Know who you are or know who I am... take your pick. )

[steadyb]

 

Originally posted by Anderton You're confused? I don't even know who I am!

 

 

I've always enjoyed your singing with Yes. You're way better than Craig Horn.

[audioicon]

 

Posted by Ani. This comment suggests that you want to state your agenda, but you want to thrust it onto people that prefer NOT to participate in political debate. You don't want to tangle with the big bad dogs where your post belonged, but you want to come into this forum and play the VICTIM by suggesting that you are being singled out for having posted an inflammatory thread that was closed by a moderator. In this case, YOU were the instigator and not the victim.

 

 

I hate to talk about my own work but if you went to my website and look at my articles, they all have a button/link that says

"Respond to Article." Come on Ani, It takes a guy with balls in my opinion to write an open letter to Craig:D

 

I did not post in the SSS/Political forum because everyone in my opinion is trying to sound louder then the other. There are no co -ordination. I want to post a comment and in turn learn from the responses. To me the political Forum sounds like a debate show where all the guest are just shouting to make a point instead of letting one speak at a time as to make their point.

 

I still think it's a great place but the Lebanon conflict may have been more personal for some people.

I don't want to drag this post but don't want to advertise my character either. I will be part of anything that provides me knowledge and the ability to learn.

 

Yeah I was wondering what is Administartor?

 

Guyunique

[the stranger]

Originally posted by Anderton > It's what Craig Andertson does.

 

Who the {censored} is Craig Andertson?

[TheLuxLife]

Can ANY of you guys spell the name correctly?!

 

 

-J.P. LUX

[fantasticsound]

 

Originally posted by audioicon ...I did not post in the SSS/Political forum because everyone in my opinion is trying to sound louder then the other. There are no co -ordination. I want to post a comment and in turn learn from the responses. To me the political Forum sounds like a debate show where all the guest are just shouting to make a point instead of letting one speak at a time as to make their point...

 

 

Exactly! That's why we're so sensitive to threads that belong in the political forum. Whether they're posted there or here, they almost always degenerate into exactly the "debate show" you describe. That's why they're there and I'm here. And that's why, despite your stated noble intentions of stirring up meaningful debate rather than a shouting match, the thread was closed.

[Ani]

It takes a guy with balls

 

I thought all GUYS had balls....

 

Now... if you just like to stir the kettle to get little bit of a rise out of the folks you enjoy hanging out with, WITHOUT getting into politics, religion, or discrimination (which leans heavily towards political territory); then start a Mac vs. PC thread or Analog vs. Digital.

 

Just don't post any Shakira porn links or you'll be banninated immediato...

[UstadKhanAli]

 

Originally posted by audioicon I did not post in the SSS/Political forum because everyone in my opinion is trying to sound louder then the other.

 

 

Now you are discovering the reason why they are separated.

 

Now on to more important things - why is a famous baseball guy the "Administartor"?

[Ernest Buckley]

I didn`t see the original thread that is being discussed here but I know how AudioIcon feels. I too started a thread after the death of John Paul II, called RIP JPII. That was closed within an hour of opening it. Like Craig said, its his forum and he can do whatever. I`m actually surprised that several threads have not been moved or closed like the Kramer thread for example but whatever. Forums are like gardens... if you don`t like the plants here, move along...