Members Music Calgary Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nice little read:http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/16692 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UMT Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nice little read:http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/16692 It is a nice read. I've been in heavy metal bands, New Wave bands, Power Pop bands, country bands, Top 40 bands, Funk bands and have kind of stuck with 'Classic Rock' inthe last decade or so.. I've read about Miles/Parker and all these cats. Actually, have a jazz singer friend who was nominated for a Grammy several times but I could NEVER understand 'jazz.' I just don't 'get it.' To me, it sounds like: 'How many notes can you squeeze into a 3 chord song.' Don't get crazy on me, jazz folks, but I just don't 'get it.' I kind of wish I did. The ONLY jazz I've ever really liked was my old Leon Russell 'Stop All That Jazz' album. I wonder what makes a person 'get it' and get passionate about a certain style of music but doesn't understand others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Lee Knight Posted August 16, 2008 Moderators Share Posted August 16, 2008 I just don't 'get it.' If you are interested, get Kind of Blue. Put it in your car player, and play it while you drive. Don't even pay attention at first. Just play it and drive to work, and back home again. Repeat without thinking. Soon my friend, more than likely you'll say, "Cool man...". Dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dgarman Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 It is a nice read. I've been in heavy metal bands, New Wave bands, Power Pop bands, country bands, Top 40 bands, Funk bands and have kind of stuck with 'Classic Rock' inthe last decade or so.. I've read about Miles/Parker and all these cats. Actually, have a jazz singer friend who was nominated for a Grammy several times but I could NEVER understand 'jazz.' I just don't 'get it.' To me, it sounds like: 'How many notes can you squeeze into a 3 chord song.' Don't get crazy on me, jazz folks, but I just don't 'get it.' I kind of wish I did. The ONLY jazz I've ever really liked was my old Leon Russell 'Stop All That Jazz' album. I wonder what makes a person 'get it' and get passionate about a certain style of music but doesn't understand others? You know, I was (or still am) in the same boat as you, being predomenantly a hard rock, blues, and metal guitarists, but at one point I found myself getting into a rutt with my leads, so I went and took lessons from a jazz musician. He had me intensily studying John Coltrain, and it realy broadend my horizons and help me open up my leads. I still don't claim to really understand jazz, but I now have a newfound apreciation for the genre, and listen to jazz music frequently. I really love the article that was posted here. It brought me a little closer to understanding what I am listening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Raymar Posted August 16, 2008 Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 It is a nice read. I've been in heavy metal bands, New Wave bands, Power Pop bands, country bands, Top 40 bands, Funk bands and have kind of stuck with 'Classic Rock' inthe last decade or so.. I've read about Miles/Parker and all these cats. Actually, have a jazz singer friend who was nominated for a Grammy several times but I could NEVER understand 'jazz.' I just don't 'get it.' To me, it sounds like: 'How many notes can you squeeze into a 3 chord song.' Don't get crazy on me, jazz folks, but I just don't 'get it.' I kind of wish I did. Jazz tends to emphasize the weak beats and I think right there alot of people are thrown off. There's a new(er) singer Carolyn Leonhart you might want to check out. She has an interesting voice and style where at times she phrases like an instrument without scatting. Check out some mp3s at her sight. Her band is very good too without getting all conjested with excessive notes. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 16, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2008 Coltrane, as wonderful as he was... when he plays modal, I hear him play modal. He hits those note in a self conscious way almost. Amazing technique. Groundbreaking for sure. Agreed. For my money Eric Dolphy was one of the most interesting players I've ever heard. He was a massive influence on Coltrane, if he had lived things would have played out slightly different. From everything I've seen and heard Dolphy would have emerged as a true giant, AFAIK Coltrane was totally in awe of him. (and vice versa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jimbroni Posted August 17, 2008 Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 I liked the article, but it didn't point to the importance of Miles' later contributions to Jazz. Which in my opinion is the only reason its still alive today. Converting Jazz from Swing to Groove. The thing about Miles that gets me is that he can blast a single note or two note wobble with tons of space around it whether the beat swings or grooves and leaves you sitting there with chills questioning everything you think you know about music. The timing he uses simply transcends the standard notation, and enters a state somewhere between life and death, light and darkness. In my opinion its not even accurate to call him a genius in terms of Jazz, its more like he just was from another world all together and somehow found a way to communicate with us. So Genius maybe? But I think he was more like a magician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 17, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 Miles' later contributions to Jazz. Which in my opinion is the only reason its still alive today. If Miles had never lived Jazz would still be just fine today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted August 17, 2008 Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 If Miles had never lived Jazz would still be just fine today. I guess without Miles Jazz would have died somewhere in the sixties, but he prolonged the life of Jazz until he died himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 17, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 I guess without Miles Jazz would have died somewhere in the sixties, but he prolonged the life of Jazz until he died himself To suggest that Miles did more for jazz in the last 5 years of his life than James Carter has over the past 5 years is absurd. Paris Hilton has better insight into jazz than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted August 17, 2008 Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 have no idea who Rev. James Carter is, but you must be right about Paris Hilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 17, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 17, 2008 James Carter is a musician of the highest order who has redefined the limits of his [already-illustrious] instrument over the past decade... A *mind blowing* performer who Miles probably would have loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jimbroni Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hey James Carter is outstanding, and I imagine Miles would have worked with him given the chance. But my point wasn't about the last five years of Miles' life, its about recreating Jazz as he did in 69 by embracing the groove element of Hendrix and Sly. This is what gave people like James Carter, Joshua Redman, Grover Washington, Jr, etc a medium to thrive upon. One could argue if Miles hadn't done it someone else would have, but they didn't. Miles did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thenakedarab Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 It is a nice read. I've been in heavy metal bands, New Wave bands, Power Pop bands, country bands, Top 40 bands, Funk bands and have kind of stuck with 'Classic Rock' inthe last decade or so.. I've read about Miles/Parker and all these cats. Actually, have a jazz singer friend who was nominated for a Grammy several times but I could NEVER understand 'jazz.' I just don't 'get it.' To me, it sounds like: 'How many notes can you squeeze into a 3 chord song.' Don't get crazy on me, jazz folks, but I just don't 'get it.' I kind of wish I did. The ONLY jazz I've ever really liked was my old Leon Russell 'Stop All That Jazz' album. I wonder what makes a person 'get it' and get passionate about a certain style of music but doesn't understand others? I know this is just me, but IMO no music can compare to jazz in it's ability to evoke powerful imagery without the need for a single word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thenakedarab Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hey James Carter is outstanding, and I imagine Miles would have worked with him given the chance. But my point wasn't about the last five years of Miles' life, its about recreating Jazz as he did in 69 by embracing the groove element of Hendrix and Sly. This is what gave people like James Carter, Joshua Redman, Grover Washington, Jr, etc a medium to thrive upon. One could argue if Miles hadn't done it someone else would have, but they didn't. Miles did. This ^, also Miles' fingerprints are all over bop, and cool jazz in the very same way they're all over jazz fusion from his seminal contributions to the genre, In A Silent Way and Bitch's Brew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 But my point wasn't about the last five years of Miles' life, its about recreating Jazz as he did in 69 by embracing the groove element of Hendrix and Sly. This is what gave people like James Carter, Joshua Redman, Grover Washington, Jr, etc a medium to thrive upon. One could argue if Miles hadn't done it someone else would have, but they didn't. Miles did. Sorry, don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vbrook Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm sorry, but I just can't buy into these "genius" labels. It's too exclusionary and myth-driven. Considering someone the "ultimate" or "the genius" is absurd---and irresponsible history-making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dgarman Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm sorry, but I just can't buy into these "genius" labels. It's too exclusionary and myth-driven. Considering someone the "ultimate" or "the genius" is absurd---and irresponsible history-making. I am the ultimate genius at everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm not sure that I "get" jazz. But when it's good, I sure do love it. "Big Fun" by Miles Davis is frequently overlooked. It's beautiful, easily one of my favorite jazz releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 I am the ultimate genius at everything! Can you fit your big toe into your nostril? Bet you can't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tard strength Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 tonally, miles stands out from everybody. thelonious monk i still am more impressed with though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted August 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 thelonious monk i still am more impressed with though. I love watching Monk. Definitely one of the *true* originals... Confounding music of the highest order. I love the way he used to wander around onstage. He's sitting at his piano when the bass player starts his solo and by halfway through you look up and Monk is standing on the far side of the club staring down at the floor, but by the end of the solo right back in his seat -- and always on the beat. HAW! Oh how I love Monk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vbrook Posted August 18, 2008 Members Share Posted August 18, 2008 I think that is a very important and underrated approach to music appreciation. If you love it, you do get it. I take the view that aesthetics is the only true fundamental of music. I'm not sure that I "get" jazz. But when it's good, I sure do love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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