Members kr236rk Posted October 16, 2017 Members Share Posted October 16, 2017 Hi, Have a new hi-hat but it closes with a 'clunk' not a clean 'shwsht' or whatever the term is. Any ideas please? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 What hi hats did you get - model / size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 16, 2017 Members Share Posted October 16, 2017 If your stand has a tilter screw, try that. Cheap cymbals might still sound crappy even then. I get good results with a heavy bottom and a thin crash for the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dendy Jarrett Posted October 16, 2017 Members Share Posted October 16, 2017 I'm gonna lean on the bottom tilt screw not being correct. You need a little lean on that bottom hat. If the cymbals are perfectly matched and there is no lean, i've even had them to lock up (suction) together. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 17, 2017 Members Share Posted October 17, 2017 Or the hats from electric drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kr236rk Posted October 21, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2017 Thanks Total rookie :-o The hats are 'Zildjian' - so I know they're good - 14" Hats. Pictures of stand to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kr236rk Posted October 21, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2017 Here she is - I can't get that clean jazz 'tsh' from it, the hats clunk together. I can get an excellent ringing if I release the foot pedal just after the hats connect, but I can't get a clean dampened beat from them without the 'clunk' effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted October 22, 2017 Members Share Posted October 22, 2017 There's a thumbscrew missing here. It tilts the bottom washer and alleviates "airlock". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kr236rk Posted October 31, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 31, 2017 There's a thumbscrew missing here. It tilts the bottom washer and alleviates "airlock". Thanks, have that but however I turn it the hat still sounds clunky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kr236rk Posted October 31, 2017 Author Members Share Posted October 31, 2017 Thanks, have that but however I turn it the hat still sounds clunky. Think I got it now - had no idea the hat was played so much with the sticks! Now I understand what is meant by 'closed' and 'open' sounding hi-hats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 1, 2017 Members Share Posted November 1, 2017 Never seen a lug screw for a tilter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kr236rk Posted November 1, 2017 Author Members Share Posted November 1, 2017 Next question, thanks for replies As I play the hi-hat, foot pedal & sticks, the two hats start to slide out of true. This introduces a horrible hollow sound. When the hats are directly aligned you get a nice crisp sound on striking them. How can I stop the hats moving from side to side please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted November 1, 2017 Members Share Posted November 1, 2017 You want the misalignment so the foot chick sounds crisp. I keep the tilt screw opposite the playing side so the sticks don't get chewed on that protruding edge. ^^ You also need to modulate foot pressure to get good stick sounds and to produce the range of hat sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dendy Jarrett Posted November 8, 2017 Members Share Posted November 8, 2017 There are so many different ideas as to how your Hihats should be positioned. For some, they like a real washy sound and they leave their hi-hats rather close even when they are in the open position. Some drummers prefer that their hi-hats are thickly made cymbals and some want them to be thin. There are companies that make hi-hats with holes in the bottom and some that make them with rivets in the bottom. There is really NO correct way. It's a taste thing. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members race81 Posted November 8, 2017 Members Share Posted November 8, 2017 Looking at these photo's I see the problem as one or two, maybe three things. One, if the hats are not new inspect the center holes for egg shaping. Two, your hi hat stand is worn out, take the hats off and see how much play you have in the center shaft to the center tube. Cheap felts can also create an issue, because they do not compress equal....Cympads are good for curing this..and a couple of other things, make sure the tension on the top hat is tight enough and just fyi I have played many different sets of hats, heavy weighted hats sometimes do not make a "chick" sound but a tink or chunk sound. For the sound you are looking for you may want to get some lighter hats......if your looking for a jazz sounding hat, the ones you have are not the right choice.........JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Voltan Posted August 18, 2019 Members Share Posted August 18, 2019 [img2=JSON]{"alt":"race81","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.harmonycentral.com\/forum\/forum\/Drums_Percussion\/acapella-19\/core\/image.php?userid=166023&thumb=1&dateline=1397137369"}[/img2] #12.1 race81 commented 11-08-2017, 03:16 PM Looking at these photo's I see the problem as one or two, maybe three things. One, if the hats are not new inspect the center holes for egg shaping. Two, your hi hat stand is worn out, take the hats off and see how much play you have in the center shaft to the center tube. Cheap felts can also create an issue, because they do not compress equal....Cympads are good for curing this..and a couple of other things, make sure the tension on the top hat is tight enough and just fyi I have played many different sets of hats, heavy weighted hats sometimes do not make a "chick" sound but a tink or chunk sound. For the sound you are looking for you may want to get some lighter hats......if your looking for a jazz sounding hat, the ones you have are not the right choice.........JMO. im not sure where this quote came from... but some advice should be filtered with good old fashioned critical thinking. one... “keyholes” or keyholing is deformation or elongation of the hole in the center of the cymbal... pretty rare on hats as they pretty much sit level (as all good cymbals should for best sustain), and in almost 50 years of drumming have yet to wear out even the thinnest hats i have... which brings me to 2... ive got an old ludwig hi hat stand thats still perfectly functional that i got with a 1966 ludwig beatles kit... if youve worn out your hi hat stand, youve purchased cheap ****... cheap felts? c’mon... lets talk about oroper technique instead of gear at this point... one more thing, at a buddy rich drum seminar, buddy spoke on hats... and physics.. everybody wanted that swish'. that crisp high singing snap out of their hats and followed the wrong logic and got THINNER hats... and couldnt figure out that THINNER METAL MAKES DEEPER SOUNDS... if you dont believe me, take a hammer to your car hood, and then alternate beats on a steel beam... the treble on that thick steel beam will set your ears on fire while your hood sounds like a bass! ... go on do it again! buy thick hats if you want treble... always remember and never forget, opinions are not fact and when not based in fact should be considered suspect to begin with... i usually take a few moments at set up and just adjust hats... turn the cymbals and find the spot where they fit “just right”... adjust the set screw so they dont align the edges perfectly and fine tune the amount of “loose feel” i like... i prefer that my hats are a but loose when theres no tension... no disrespect to race81, but im guessing unfamiliarity with your instrument is the biggest hurdle you face right now, the good news is the best remedy for that is more time on the throne slapping those skins! id be willing to wager that your hi hat sound will improve 100% if you’ll just wear out two or three pair of sticks just on your hats... it rarely happens the first time you sit behind your kit... and thats why god created the other instruments... for the rhythmically challenged humans... she didnt want them feeling too left out so we have guitars, keyboards, and all the lesser arcane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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