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    I don't have a pic for this but in Friday's paper (the St. Louis Post-Dispatch), in the Entertainment section, there was a feature about Fall Out Boy and a pic of bassist Pete Wentz playing a Squier P-Bass. I know the older Mexican and Korean Squiers are supposed to be pretty good but how common is it to find pros to playing them?
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    Originally posted by DeepEnd View Post
    I don't have a pic for this but in Friday's paper (the St. Louis Post-Dispatch), in the Entertainment section, there was a feature about Fall Out Boy and a pic of bassist Pete Wentz playing a Squier P-Bass. I know the older Mexican and Korean Squiers are supposed to be pretty good but how common is it to find pros to playing them?
    Pete could have his signature model gutted and redone. We really have no idea.










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    • #3
      Well, here he is ''playing'' the thing or anyway posing with it. This photo is from equipboard.com:
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      I doubt it would be worth it to have a Squier "gutted and redone." We're talking about replacing the pickup, pots and wiring, probably the tuners, plus some fretwork. If you're ''slumming,'' why not just buy a Mexi-Fender? Again, if I had to guess I'd say the photo is probably a promo and he plays the ''real deal'' live.
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      • #4
        My Squire II Precision is over 25 years old. Its built as good as any Regular Fender I've owned, better in fact then many I've played. Its Rosewood neck is well into the high quality range. Its got Lace sensor pickups which sound excellent and I've never seen the need to replace them. The only thing I dislike is the weight. I'm pretty sure the body is Basswood. Its got to weigh at least 10lbs and its not a bass my shoulder can handle playing live any more. It looks nearly identical to this one except for the pickups.


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        • #5
          I toured with Henry Turner, Jr and Flavor, out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Henry plays a Squier strat and a First Act acoustic on tour. On one tour with Henry, I played an Ibanez GSR200 bass. Bad things can happen to nice instruments on tour.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by isaac42 View Post
            I toured with Henry Turner, Jr and Flavor, out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Henry plays a Squier strat and a First Act acoustic on tour. On one tour with Henry, I played an Ibanez GSR200 bass. Bad things can happen to nice instruments on tour.
            Yes, I thought of you and your Ibanez when I posted the thread. I was curious as to how common it was. Apparently moreso that I would have thought.
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            • #7
              It's been known to happen.



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              • #8
                A while back I was visiting my luthier with a bass player buddy. My luthier is a bass player who used to play for some big names and still plays around town. My buddy asked his advice on a 5-string and asked him what he uses. My luthier said he doesn't like the necks on Fenders (nor does my buddy) so he took a Squier off the wall and modded it to his tastes (which included a Fender headstock decal so everyone thinks its a Fender).

                The only real difference in the "low-end" and "high-end" these days is in the branding. Electronics and hardware can be upgraded, if needed, but many of the lower-end instruments rock out of the box.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Verne Andru View Post
                  A while back I was visiting my luthier with a bass player buddy. My luthier is a bass player who used to play for some big names and still plays around town. My buddy asked his advice on a 5-string and asked him what he uses. My luthier said he doesn't like the necks on Fenders (nor does my buddy) so he took a Squier off the wall and modded it to his tastes (which included a Fender headstock decal so everyone thinks its a Fender).

                  The only real difference in the "low-end" and "high-end" these days is in the branding. Electronics and hardware can be upgraded, if needed, but many of the lower-end instruments rock out of the box.
                  Why lie? Compulsive dishonesty, or just an arsehole?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by isaac42 View Post
                    Why lie? Compulsive dishonesty, or just an arsehole?
                    He's a great guy and certainly isn't the first.

                    I think it has more to do with the "poseur" attitude within the player/gear market - if it doesn't say Fender or Gibson you're not taken seriously. I personally don't care, but image seems to matter to quite a few peeps who tend to be victims of fashion. And it matters to Fender because they get to charge a premium for a 5 cent water-slide.

                    As the old saying goes - what's the difference between a Fender made by Mexicans in California and a Fender made by Mexicans in Mexico? AFAIK the only difference is the label on the headstock.

                    Truth be told, most body parts for modern Fenders are made by Godin and assembled by Fender, if that. Yet how many bass players do you see playing Godin guitars?

                    I think the fact someone made a thread asking if "pros" play Squiers speaks volumes. These days the main differences are in the price and market perception.

                    This isn't new - gear snobbery has been around as long as I've been playing, and that's a long time.
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                    • #11
                      And your friend is apparently part of the problem.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Verne Andru View Post
                        . . . I think the fact someone made a thread asking if "pros" play Squiers speaks volumes. These days the main differences are in the price and market perception.

                        This isn't new - gear snobbery has been around as long as I've been playing, and that's a long time.
                        I wouldn't call it "snobbery." My Alvarez bass is easily as good as any Squier I've ever played but I wouldn't play it professionally even if I were good enough to play at that level any more than I'd use a cheap amp. I'd invest in "pro" gear. YMMV.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DeepEnd View Post
                          I wouldn't call it "snobbery." My Alvarez bass is easily as good as any Squier I've ever played but I wouldn't play it professionally even if I were good enough to play at that level any more than I'd use a cheap amp. I'd invest in "pro" gear. YMMV.
                          Why not? If the Alvarez is good enough, how is it anything other than snobbery to say that you'd never use it? For me, it's all about the music, not the gear.
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                          -- Oscar Wilde

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by WRGKMC View Post
                            The only thing I dislike is the weight. I'm pretty sure the body is Basswood. Its got to weigh at least 10lbs and its not a bass my shoulder can handle playing live any more.
                            In my experience Basswood is usually pretty light in weight...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DeepEnd View Post
                              I wouldn't call it "snobbery." My Alvarez bass is easily as good as any Squier I've ever played but I wouldn't play it professionally even if I were good enough to play at that level any more than I'd use a cheap amp. I'd invest in "pro" gear. YMMV.
                              While he's known more for guitar playing (even though he's a multi-instrumentalist) David Lindley has a reputation for often utilizing really cheap instruments - and he makes them sound fantastic. I think they help to give him his unique tones. I certainly am not trying to disparage high end or professional instruments, but there are some players who use cheap and inexpensive instruments in a professional context, and make them shine.

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