Members Unclemeat Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I got in a head on collision Monday. Thankfully no one was hurt. My car has some frame damage and I am probably going to end up getting a different one... I am looking for a wagon or hatch or some sort. I don't want a big SUV type or car, but something big enough to haul a little bit of gear without much hassle. I do a lot of traveling for work and it is not uncommon for me to drive 500-800 miles in a day, so comfort is my main concern. I would also like some power because in driving those distances there always seems to be some point where I could use a little extra pickup or power on the expressway. All I am really coming up with is the Acura TSX wagon, Subaru Outback, or maybe a VW Jetta Wagon (though the VW stuff scares me a little since I have heard so many horror stories about things failing early on). What am I missing that's worth checking out? Max I want to spend is around the 30 mark, give or take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members calclown Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Look at Mazda too. They have the 3 hatchback, the 5 which is a mini-minivan, and the cx-5. Subaru is probably the best built option, but mpg will be less (right? I'd have to check). VW scares me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unclemeat Posted December 7, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Yea! I really want to like the VW.... I'll give some serious consideration to the Subaru. It gets about the same MPG as the Acura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GAS Man Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by Unclemeat Subaru Outback, or maybe a VW Jetta Wagon (though the VW stuff scares me a little since I have heard so many horror stories about things failing early on).What am I missing that's worth checking out? Max I want to spend is around the 30 mark, give or take. Yeah, the Subaru are definitely good value cars. Reliable and maintain a big chunk of their value. Though their styling has usually left me cold. They are extremely popular where I live and folks often joke that the wagons are popular amongst the granola heads and lesbians. I really like the styling of some of the Audi wagons. I might be tempted to look at Volvo as well. About the only SUV/wagon crossover that has ever caught my eye is the Infiniti FX. You could look for a pre-owned one of those.But yeah, I'd be mostly drawn to Audi or VW but they do indeed have their points in time where the work has to go in. I know a German auto mechanic, owns his own shop locally, and he calls it a "plastic party". He said, "but I've got to quit calling it that because people think I'm saying I'm going to have a party with their credit card, but what happens is that they use a lot of plastic parts in the engine compartment and with time the engine heat degrades them to where they begin to malfunction and then they need to be changed out". He said that usually happens with them after the 60K mileage mark. Before that, they're trouble free (quoting).But I'd still look there and try to get one that either still has a good chunk of miles before that point or is old enough and well maintained enough to have already had its first major plastic party.Happy hunting. 2 years ago I had to replace my own commuter car. My No. 1 car is a 2005 Honda S2000 but only after just 1 year, I added a used '96 Caddy Seville SLS to my fleet to drive to work on "the crappy days", which is most of them since I live in the PNW. Well, 4 years later the tranny on the Caddy said "adios", so rather than dump another $3K in it, I went out looking for a somewhat newer "commuter car". By the time I was done working my way up thru over-priced used cars with too many miles, I ended up with a new 2010 Nissan Maxima. Don't know if I'd do that again, but it always seems like the deals on the used cars you'd like to get just aren't around when you need them. So now I'm in purgatory or "$500/mo. for 7 years" Well, just a little over 4 years to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IRG Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I don't own one (yet) but I would look hard at the Jetta TDI wagon. Reliability on them has been pretty good (plus you'll get a new car warranty, and can always negotiate with the dealer for an extended warranty for free, or near free). Diesels often get 300k miles on them, which it sounds like you might need it! The Subarus are good too, and the 2013 models get slightly better mileage from what I've read. Good in upstate weather too, though the last few years we've hardly needed snow tires let alone awd. Toyota has a new RAV4 coming out, which might not be soon enough for you, but the 2013 models should be blowing out soon. New ones will only have a 4cylinder, but the outgoing model does have a 6cyl that is highly rated. It's really not an SUV, but car based. Not exciting, but reliable, roomy and safe. A slightly used Volvo V70 wagon is nice, big here in Ithaca where I live. They tend to last too, if maintained. Do you like the Honda Crosstour Wagon/hatchback. They are kinda odd to me, but based on the Accord they're roomy and good handling. Sort of pricey imo, but I think deals are to be made for sure. Worth a look see. The Acura's are nice too, no local dealer in Ithaca, so I don't pay too much attention to them. What about the Ford Edge? Supposed to be pretty nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I like my outback a lot. Fits a ton of gear. Great in the snow. Very comfy. Not sure what engine comes standard these days. I have the 2.5l and sometimes wish I had a little more HP (coming from a V6 accord coupe). Speaking of accords, take a look at the crosstour. I haven't driven one yet, but an AWD accord wagon is a formidable car. Just not sure of the cargo space. Other cars I was considering when I bought my outback were a Honda Element and a Nissan Rogue. I drove Cooper's SUV/wagon thing today. Fun car. Maybe not the cargo space you need though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IRG Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by GAS Man Yeah, the Subaru are definitely good value cars. Reliable and maintain a big chunk of their value. Though their styling has usually left me cold. They are extremely popular where I live and folks often joke that the wagons are popular amongst the granola heads and lesbians. I really like the styling of some of the Audi wagons. I might be tempted to look at Volvo as well. About the only SUV/wagon crossover that has ever caught my eye is the Infiniti FX. You could look for a pre-owned one of those.But yeah, I'd be mostly drawn to Audi or VW but they do indeed have their points in time where the work has to go in. I know a German auto mechanic, owns his own shop locally, and he calls it a "plastic party". He said, "but I've got to quit calling it that because people think I'm saying I'm going to have a party with their credit card, but what happens is that they use a lot of plastic parts in the engine compartment and with time the engine heat degrades them to where they begin to malfunction and then they need to be changed out". He said that usually happens with them after the 60K mileage mark. Before that, they're trouble free (quoting).But I'd still look there and try to get one that either still has a good chunk of miles before that point or is old enough and well maintained enough to have already had its first major plastic party.Happy hunting. 2 years ago I had to replace my own commuter car. My No. 1 car is a 2005 Honda S2000 but only after just 1 year, I added a used '96 Caddy Seville SLS to my fleet to drive to work on "the crappy days", which is most of them since I live in the PNW. Well, 4 years later the tranny on the Caddy said "adios", so rather than dump another $3K in it, I went out looking for a somewhat newer "commuter car". By the time I was done working my way up thru over-priced used cars with too many miles, I ended up with a new 2010 Nissan Maxima. Don't know if I'd do that again, but it always seems like the deals on the used cars you'd like to get just aren't around when you need them. So now I'm in purgatory or "$500/mo. for 7 years" Well, just a little over 4 years to go Ouch, I once had a VW Jetta GLI that was almost $500/month. I lease now because I don't put many miles on, but I lease my Camry and a Honda minivan, about $600/month for both. I'd like to get off the leasing train, but I hate having used cars that break down (happened to me too), and with both cars under warranty, I never have any surprised (and my Camry's maintenance has all been free). Not sure what I'll do in the next 5 months when its lease is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Meowy Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Wife has the TSX sedan. Great car. Nimble handling. She routinely gets 32mpg highway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I have a RAV 4 V6. Mileage is not great, but I only gave up 2 mpg to the 4 and it goes like a scalded cat. I like Subi's, but if you can get by without AWD, the new Ford C-Max is pretty damn cool. 25K ish, hybrid, nearly 50 MPG, and tons of gear room. That is on my short list for a next car. Also, a Diesel Golf in addition to the Jetta, but, I have heard the same things with VW, lots of weird glitchy issues. Nothing engine, mostly electrical weirdness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members codecontra Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Anything Honda or Toyota. My Honda Civic has 170K miles and literally drives like new. Never had an issue with it and I commute 120 miles M-F for work. My dad has a 6 cylinder Toyota Rav4. It's a sweet ride and very comfortable. I borrow it when I need to lug gear around. I am guessing/hoping that your company pays for gas so MPG is probably not a major concern for you. The Acura TSX wagon looks kinda boring to me. I like the Subaru better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 This is what my wife drives. It has good seating position Plenty of cargo room .it's good for about 30mpg highway and I like the style.It has the sport suspension pkg. and is fun to drive even with the smaller engineOurs is a 2008 we've had since new and have no problems with itI call it her little hearse but then again I consider hearses kind of coolI would defiantly buy another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members formosa Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 VW GTI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onerailunder Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Wife has a Lesbaru Outback. It's an '08. I really like the damned thing. Gas mileage is 23 around town, can't fault it too much as it's AWD. CV boots gave up the ghost at 50K baking constantly down here in FL, but half shafts were under $50 apiece and easy to change. Good for hauling gear. Yeah, I love the TDI engine, the rest of the VW crap scares the heck out me too, and I fix my own cars. Acura's are great, kinda pricey. Audi, ummm, no. Have you seen the price of replacement parts? Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fuzzy wuzzy Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 My wife bought a VW Jetta TDI wagon with manual transmission the summer before last and it has been a great car. It is not a car I would have considered, but I must admit I have enjoyed it. The fuel mileage with the TDI is terrific, and it is comfortable. I also understand that the resale value is pretty high. I have been told by several people that VW made some big strides in their durability over the last few years. My biggest complaint would be the clutch (for some reason I stall the damn thing getting out of first if I haven't driven it in a while; my car for the last 12 years is a manual by the way). There's just something funky about the way it releases from a stop. It isn't the fastest thing, but it does well enough. I do have to remember that there isn't an abundance of torque, and to shift accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members isuck Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 toyota venza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members warriorpoet Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 We've owned a Mazda 3 5-door for the last 7 years, and would, without question, buy another. Fun, super-reliable and carries a surprising amount of stuff with very little fiddling. I carried an 88 key Motif with stand and bench, 1 x 12 amp, two guitars, two music stands, an effects board, a pair of bongos and a whole heap of cables, bags and music with a front seat passenger and two in the back weekly for two years. Took some fiddling, but you should have seen the look on people's faces when we emptied it out. We have over 110,000 miles on the car now, and aside from damage sustained in a wreck, have never needed to do any sort of major repair. Just a solid, solid vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spike Li Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I drive one of these and I easily haul all my band gear around in it Although, that said, I think they (Pontiac GTOs in the US) have less boot/trunk space than mine becuase of something to do with the gas tank being in a different place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarman Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 A friend of mine just bought a fully loaded Hyundai Tucson and he's pleased as punch with it and honestly, if I was in the market for another vehicle, I would really consider this Hyundai. He's a plumber and he drives regularly from Illinois to Wisconsin so it holds his plumber's stuff, a dog and he actually gets 30 mpg on the highway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IRG Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by deanmass I have a RAV 4 V6. Mileage is not great, but I only gave up 2 mpg to the 4 and it goes like a scalded cat. I like Subi's, but if you can get by without AWD, the new Ford C-Max is pretty damn cool. 25K ish, hybrid, nearly 50 MPG, and tons of gear room. That is on my short list for a next car. Also, a Diesel Golf in addition to the Jetta, but, I have heard the same things with VW, lots of weird glitchy issues. Nothing engine, mostly electrical weirdness. I heard on the news tonight, that the Ford C Max does not get the advertised MPG as they claim, according to Consumer Reports. Still great at 39 mpg, but not quite the 47 or 50mpg they claim. I would take a look at them still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by gardo This is what my wife drives. It has good seating position Plenty of cargo room .it's good for about 30mpg highway and I like the style.It has the sport suspension pkg. and is fun to drive even with the smaller engineOurs is a 2008 we've had since new and have no problems with itI call it her little hearse but then again I consider hearses kind of coolI would defiantly buy another Why would you "defiantly" buy another?I leased one just after they came out. Now GM doesn't make them any longer but I agree with you, it was a great vehicle. It was comfortable, zippy with the 2.4 litre or the 2.0 turbo, has great gas mileage and decent storage. You can buy a used one but it's hard to get a low mileage one since they haven't been produced for about 3 years now.However, the Chevy Orlando is similar to the HHR but with modern body styling. It also can seat 7 vs. 5 in the HHR but the rear seat can be removed. They start at around $20,000.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gardo Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Why would you "defiantly" buy another?:) Because I can't type . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alecto Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 According to the latest edition of Consumer Reports, the best wagons out there right now are 1) Toyota Prius V 2) Subaru Outback 4 cylinder 3) Volkswagen Jetta TDI 4) Subaru Outback 6 I'm currently looking at the Subaru Outback as my next car. Now pass the granola and my copy of The Handmaid's Tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members esphil Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 What's your budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cobalt Blue Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 mini cooper countryman or clubman [video=youtube;YEX2j6FlTHo] [video=youtube;v-N1GyXr024] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I LOVE these. Damn near bought one when I got my RAV, then I checked insurance, freaked.... I came out of an 07 Prius that I ended up flipping, and had a Honda Fit for three years before that. For the money, for a musician, a Fit is hard to beat. The one big drawback was snow. It simply sat too low and weighed too little. My Accord was a Snowcat. the Fit got stuck in the driveway. I'll also add, that this Toyota, while a good car, will be my last. The Prius had some weird software glitches, $190 headlight bulbs, and odd/ iffy traction control. The RAV has some weird things as well that drive me batty, and the dealers are a bit off. If I don't go c-max, I am back to Honda, prolly a 4cyl CRV. I also own an older paid for Chevy pup, so I have that as a heavy hauler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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