Members Emprov Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 I couldn't do it. I'd be living a lie and doing them a disservice.Why? As long as your position was known, how would you be doing them a disservice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Why? As long as your position was known, how would you be doing them a disservice? Yup I wont talk to them about Constantine/ Council Of Necea if they don't preach to me personally about Jesus...... The "messages" in the songs are irrelevent. I would go into this knowing what Im getting into. Conversely, they will know exactly where I stand To Christians:So, you can understand the agnostic/athiest POV and why this thread is an issue: A good bulk of us look at any religion as being a "cult", more-or-less.....A lot of us are abhorred by the way world events - particularly ones that cost lives - are done in the name of a god or what we feel are "human nature" Voltaire-ish superstitious beliefs. For a lot of us, it makes about as much sense as doing something in the name of the Easter Bunny I am not posting to start a war here -- For those of you that know me, I usually steer clear of religious debates on the forum.....I just thought I would post this so you can understand a popular athiest/agnostic frame of mind and why this thread may be an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members James Hart Posted July 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Maybe God is knocking and you ain't answering? Be careful, being around people who believe in Truth and Goodness, it might just rub off on you.............what a damn shame!!!! If you don't "believe", who the hell cares what they think anyway. God bless, Natty. Natty, you have know idea how badly those kinda remarks reflect on 'Christians' in the eyes of non-christians.Truth and Goodness... I do believe in Truth and Goodness... let me tell you it ain't got a single thing to do with any god... be it Thor, Jesus or the Tooth fairy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 I am not posting to start a war here -- For those of you that know me, I usually steer clear of religious debates on the forum.....I just thought I would post this so you can understand a popular athiest/agnostic frame of mind and why this thread may be an issueAnd, seeing how you and Mr. Hart have the same viewpoint when it comes to this stuff, I'd think that your opinion would carry a lot of weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lokidecat Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 What disservice? By that statement you are expressing some type of awareness of.........................morality???? Oh, {censored}!!!!!!! Here's where you are taking things out of context. What I meant was: Were I to play Xtian songs without believing, I think it would be hypocritical and rude to those who do believe. So you can take your pious, bull{censored} attitude away now because you misread my entire point. If you are not religious, then your attitude should be, "I'll do whatever the {censored} I want to do............including playing for a Christian group when I don't believe, because it DOESN'T {censored}ING MATTER!!!"You're the bigger ass for not caring about others in this equation, Sally. It may not matter to YOU to play Xtian songs when you don't believe, but it may matter to those who do. Hypocrite. Fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lokidecat Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Why? As long as your position was known, how would you be doing them a disservice? I suppose if you lay it down it wouldn't be so bad. It's not like they'd bill the band as "4 saveds and 1 sinner" But it is definitely something that should be made known up-front. Not 15 gigs down the road when the "Why didn't you say something" conversation comes up. hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Juggernaut- Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Who cares? If your ok with it, and they are as well. go jam with them. I play with a couple groups of guys ranging from hardcore athiest, to hardcore Jehovahs Witness, to raging alcoholics who could care less either way. My personal religious beliefs NEVER become a factor when choosing friends or people I play with. Would be kinda like not taking a job because they employed people of different beliefs... Do it and have fun with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theHORSEwhisperer Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 hardcore Jehovahs Witness Do you play gigs door-to-door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators isaac42 Posted July 24, 2008 Moderators Share Posted July 24, 2008 YupI wont talk to them about Constantine/ Council Of Necea if they don't preach to me personally about Jesus...... The "messages" in the songs are irrelevent. I would go into this knowing what Im getting into. Conversely, they will know exactly where I standTo Christians:So, you can understand the agnostic/athiest POV and why this thread is an issue: A good bulk of us look at any religion as being a "cult", more-or-less.....A lot of us are abhorred by the way world events - particularly ones that cost lives - are done in the name of a god or what we feel are "human nature" Voltaire-ish superstitious beliefs. For a lot of us, it makes about as much sense as doing something in the name of the Easter Bunny I am not posting to start a war here -- For those of you that know me, I usually steer clear of religious debates on the forum.....I just thought I would post this so you can understand a popular athiest/agnostic frame of mind and why this thread may be an issue I have to ask. What do you mean by "Voltaire-ish superstitious beliefs"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -Juggernaut- Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Do you play gigs door-to-door?every chance we get.... got to get the name out there some how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theHORSEwhisperer Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 every chance we get.... got to get the name out there some how. I would love to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 I have to ask. What do you mean by "Voltaire-ish superstitious beliefs"? Voltaire, although a devout Christian, was very much into the nature of humanity. He believed that reason should be ascertained first before belief/faith....One of his most famous observations was "If there isn't a God, it is the nature of man to create one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Voltaire, although a devout Christian, was very much into the nature of humanity. He believed more in reason first before belief/faith....One of his most famous observations was "If there isn't a God, it is the nature of man to create one" Aaaaand the thread takes a predictable turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Aaaaand the thread takes a predictable turn. You are correct -- I will back out now I respect anybody's beliefs, regardless of what I may think of them. If any of you have ever noticed, I never "hat' religious figures...... I usually avoid these threads My apologies to the forum...Its not in my nature to participate in religious debates......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theHORSEwhisperer Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Ok everyone, let's just calm down and watch this awesome cover: [YOUTUBE]dWCdICkJc5E[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Maybe Dan knows... As proven in that thread, I don't know {censored} about government spending:D Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willsellout Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 If you are uncomfortable with it in any way, then don't do it. I personally don't see the big deal. If you like the guys, the music is fun and the gigs are cool I don't see a reason not to play. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 You are correct -- I will back out now I respect anybody's beliefs, regardless of what I may think of them. If any of you have ever noticed, I never "hat' religious figures...... I usually avoid these threads My apologies to the forum...Its not in my nature to participate in religious debates......... There's nothing wrong with exchanging ideas, as long as it remains civil. I actually like hearing the perspectives of others, I think that it keeps one's world from becoming too small if you know what I mean. I also like my thinking to be challenged. So you and I don't agree in this area, big deal. We don't follow the same baseball teams either. BTW, it seems like Zito's finally starting to come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockBass Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Here's my two cents: If they're cool guys, and you connect and have a lot in common, go for it. Sharing beliefs and respecting beliefs shouldn't be limited only to each other. Having said that, I think you have some things stacked against the situation, mainly the church thing. I've filled in for a friend's worship team at an AG church (I'm Catholic) and it creeped the hell out of me. Plus you're going to get harassed eventually. Guaranteed. It's gonna come out sometime, somewhere, and you're gonna get approached. Especially if you do it at one of the member's own congregations. And it's gonna be one of those "Have you accepted Jesus :blah:" speeches. If that happens, I would just roll with it. Christianity is a religion that was founded on persecution, and some Christians just seem to look for a way to feel prejudged, even if they're the ones doing it. Nod, smile, and walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Do you play gigs door-to-door?Buahahah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Just got sucked into listening to that whole thing. Is that you? m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theHORSEwhisperer Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 Just got sucked into listening to that whole thing. Is that you? m/ Nope, but I would show it off to everyone I knew if it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marko Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 I think some here are a bit paranoid. These guys are musicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theHORSEwhisperer Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 And sheltered chicks can also be way hotter than anything you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted July 24, 2008 Members Share Posted July 24, 2008 They have bluegrass gigs at a place around here at a large country church. Most of the people that attend are just there for the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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