Members hawkhuff Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 I love that word, formulaic. Very nice. I see this kind of banter on other fora as well. When will you realize those that love government to take care of them and their problems will never see anything wrong with a program? It's always about politics, they love their Obama, Reid, Frank, Schumer, Pilosi's no matter how much reason and logic you attempt to apply. Government programs are nearly always destined to fail yet they perpetuate regardless who is in power. It's a serious 537 collective mental deficiency they have and there's nothing wrong with pointing it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 I'm sure they will run health care better...they have proven that in the other programs they run right? Word up. Medicare/Medicaid are models of efficiency, cost-savings, and fairness. What kills me is that there seems to be overwhelming opposition among us peons to socialized medicine, yet Congressional democrats are still hell-bent on cramming this piece of {censored} down our throats, with complete disregard to what anyone actually wants. As for this Cash for Clunkers failure of a piece of horse {censored}, they snuck this one up on everyone. The least they could have done is plan it out better, but obama is totally incompetent and so are all of his little cockslaves in congress. C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hawkhuff Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Word up. Medicare/Medicaid are models of efficiency, cost-savings, and fairness.What kills me is that there seems to be overwhelming opposition among us peons to socialized medicine, yet Congressional democrats are still hell-bent on cramming this piece of {censored} down our throats, with complete disregard to what anyone actually wants. As for this Cash for Clunkers failure of a piece of horse {censored}, they snuck this one up on everyone. The least they could have done is plan it out better, but obama is totally incompetent and so are all of his little cockslaves in congress.C7 Same can be said for the nationalization of mortgages, banks, insurance, Chrysler, and GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted August 1, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 1, 2009 Original thread starts in order to point out an obviously foolish government program. Most agree.One poster chimes in with an extremely hyperbolic statement.Said poster is ridiculed by others, tossing in hyperbolic statements of their own.Attempt is made to make original posts in thread seem like they're in line with the crazies.Thread degenerates. If it's a debate then by all means let's set rules and guidelines for not only keeping the posts on topic, but also that every post is the same length and takes 30 seconds to read. Any more than that and the red light should flash and bannination action should take place. If cars were flying off the lots, dealerships wouldn't be the least bit interested in this program. They need the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members s4001 Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 If cars were flying off the lots, dealerships wouldn't be the least bit interested in this program. They need the cash. If $4000 changes that scenario, they need to reconsider pricing structure and advertising not federal bailouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J. Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Furthermore, let's not forget about the last administration, especially at the end of the last term. After all, who started the bailouts rolling? If it wasn't for Bush II and Hank Paulson, one could argue that the precedent for our current mess never would've been set. We had a bad fiscal policy under Bush, runaway spending, and a nice WallStreet/banking bailout that failed. Let's not forget things like Medicare Part D, which the Republicans blocked when Clinton was in office but suddenly decided it was okay since "their guy" was President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crescent Seven Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Furthermore, let's not forget about the last administration, especially at the end of the last term. After all, who started the bailouts rolling? If it wasn't for Bush II and Hank Paulson, one could argue that the precedent for our current mess never would've been set. We had a bad fiscal policy under Bush, runaway spending, and a nice WallStreet/banking bailout that failed. Let's not forget things like Medicare Part D, which the Republicans blocked when Clinton was in office but suddenly decided it was okay since "their guy" was President. Agreed. When Bush started handing out money I started throwing {censored} at my TV. There was a big pile of {censored} in front of my TV before obama ever got elected. C7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ec437 Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Our tax dollars are actually funding this nonsense. Has there ever been a better application for this smiley? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! This is so completely asinine. I have never been more upset about a government program in my life. The worst part? I, and everyone else my age, will have to pay for this nonsense when the {censored} hits the fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lokidecat Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 This is so completely asinine. I have never been more upset about a government program in my life. The worst part? I, and everyone else my age, will have to pay for this nonsense when the {censored} hits the fan When i read about them doing this to the BMW, you were the first person I thought of.. going "please don't let him read that... please.." doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ec437 Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 When i read about them doing this to the BMW, you were the first person I thought of.. going "please don't let him read that... please.."doh hahaha. Those cars are fantastic. I know someone who has one with almost 400k on it. And it has never had sodium silicate poured into the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hawkhuff Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Furthermore, let's not forget about the last administration, especially at the end of the last term. After all, who started the bailouts rolling? If it wasn't for Bush II and Hank Paulson, one could argue that the precedent for our current mess never would've been set. We had a bad fiscal policy under Bush, runaway spending, and a nice WallStreet/banking bailout that failed. Let's not forget things like Medicare Part D, which the Republicans blocked when Clinton was in office but suddenly decided it was okay since "their guy" was President. Let us also not forget the s chip or whatever it's called. All done by reps COTUS and POTUS. It is both parties, they have no idea why they're in power except to spend money and have others give them money so they can spend more money. {censored} the people. They are stupid. All 537 share these sentiments. Why read the bill, we're not going to understand it. Conyers & Waxman. Do you really think people care about the pork spending? Chuck You Schumer. And the beat goes on. So you see J, logic has absolutely nothing to do with it. We have no government, what we have is centralized self indulgence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted August 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 We have no government, what we have is centralized self indulgence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members P1gg1e Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 We have no government, what we have is centralized self indulgence. Be the change you wish to see...vote 3rd party...Just quit listening to Glenn Beck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 The real question is to ask where did this "magic" $4500 come from and who does it actually go to. Then you will understand the program a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Aren't we supposed to be against corporate welfare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thumper Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Let's see... My '93 Jeep Cherokee (aka Old Blue) has 205K miles on it. It's been paid off since '94, and has hauled me, Mrs. T, various dogs and a bunch of gear over half the continental US. It has only let me down once, a year ago when the fuel pump sh*t the bed a mile from my house. It gets @25 mpg on the highway when I drive like a responsible adult. Old Blue's carbon footprint is down to the cost of fuel and oil, and the emissions from the tailpipe. It passes DEQ every time I bring it in for inspection. So, I'm supposed to traded in my reliable, paid-off, well-loved ride of the last 16 years to buy a new car I really don't need... And Old Blue will be scrapped---not resold to some guy who needs, cheap, reliable transportation. I'll pass, thanks, and hang onto my rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members s4001 Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 The real question is to ask where did this "magic" $4500 come from and who does it actually go to. Then you will understand the program a bit better. Pure fiat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Pure fiat? Who drives cars worth less than $4500 (and will benefit from this program the most)? Who pays about 97% of the tax the government is paying for this with? THe best trick the government ever did was divorce the payer from the payee in the public's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members toolbar Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Who drives cars worth less than $4500 (and will benefit from this program the most)? Who pays about 97% of the tax the government is paying for this with?THe best trick the government ever did was divorce the payer from the payee in the public's mind. My wife and I were talking about this at breakfast. We - the tax payer - are either subsidizing people who can already afford a car payment OR we are about to see another 3-4 billion $s in loan defaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterhinkydink Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 These dealers are a bunch of crybabies. What would they be doing without this program? They're not forced to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 My wife and I were talking about this at breakfast. We - the tax payer - are either subsidizing people who can already afford a car payment OR we are about to see another 3-4 billion $s in loan defaults. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted August 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Be the change you wish to see...vote 3rd party...Just quit listening to Glenn Beck I think I you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 Can anyone tell me why this is a good idea? Printing money without gold backing creates a decline in retail price for American products overseas.........Domestically, people will get new cars while abroad the price of a 'Built In USA' goes down considerably: This keeps USA Auto Factories churning.....or, so, thats the theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funkee1 Posted August 1, 2009 Members Share Posted August 1, 2009 TThis is the same government that wants to run our health care?!? Even before Obama, I said this. Look at your public roads and highways. Now do you really want the people who maintain them to be in charge of your healthcare?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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