Members wades_keys Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Sorry, I hadn't meant to imply they were. I was just trying to point out that his ideals match up with theirs regardless of whether he gets the most kickback from supporting them over someone else. Sure. But one trend I notice among other youngsters that lean GOP is the angry undertones that seem common in the rhetoric. You know, stuff like this: Anyone that calls people that attend the Tea Parties a "teabagger" is a {censored}ing idiot piece of {censored} with a whore for a mother. In other words, a {censored} for {censored} worthless asshole that hates freedom. To wit, a liberal. Angry much? I love the "hates freedom" polemic: yes, clearly the GOP - the party that brought you warrantless wiretaps and Guantanamo Bay - is a friend of "freedom". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted September 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 What really kills me is the extremist rhetoric about health care reform. Face it: you guys are already slaves to insurance that charges but wriggles out of paying to make profit and big pharma that will charge whatever the hospitals and insurance companies can bear. Ever thought that the reason why America hasn't gone to 40 mpg diesel engines might be that the oil and gas infrastructure prefers that you pay top dollar for gasoline at 20 mpg? If you think you're living in a free market which always delivers the cheapest prices and best advantage to you the consumer, I'd suggest you look a bit further into it. IMO Gov't is needed to bust up the cartels which the populace winds up serving. Cartels and monopolies seem to be the end game of free economies. The little companies fold or sell to larger ones, leaving the big ones to muscle consumers for fun and profit. IMO I'd want to live in a democracy, not a defacto economic oligarchy where the royal family - CEOs steal shareholder profits with exhorbitant salaries and bonus structures, and consumers are abused when they have no where else to shop. Canada, IIRC correctly, set up a different insurance structure for retirement and health care, so that insurance companies couldn't simply charge whatever would be borne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Orph Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Orph, the differences between Norway and the US on nearly every front: demographic, historical, economic, political, are so great, that they are almost a difference in kind, and not degree. I am perfectly aware that our two countries are in no way comparable, and that implementing our political system would completely ruin most other countries, and cause riots and malcontent among the population. That, however was not the point, I was simply making a case for social democracy, and the fact that it does work, and in Norways political landscape, it's a very good solution. We have virtually no poverty (compared to the rest of the world at least). As is the case with many European countries. Scandinavia's political landscape is changing, however.... For the worse, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted September 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 I live in a social democratic country as well. I admit I don't have to pay tuition at the best university too, but: -the student loan doesn't even cover rent for the {censored}tiest room in the city -if I worked 40 hours a month that would barely cover food + the public transportation ticket -the queues for any kind of serious treatment in the public healthcare range from several months to a couple years -the government doesn't reimburse {censored}, the employer has to pay sick employees -the dole is about the same as the student loan Therefore I have no idea where does 40% of my paycheck go (19% PIT, the rest is social security). Dunno about the university as a whole, but my faculty supports itself through tuition from paying students (about 2/3 of students pay at my faculty). Your social democracy may work because your country is filthy rich in general, but your wealth will inevitably dissipate through socialist wasting This is the other end game: social waste through ineffective governments that think they have a right to take in our cash and spend it however they feel without accountability. IMO this is grounds for overthrow and imprisonment. It's theft in an official format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Sure. But one trend I notice among other youngsters that lean GOP is the angry undertones that seem common in the rhetoric. You know, stuff like this: Angry much? I love the "hates freedom" polemic: yes, clearly the GOP - the party that brought you warrantless wiretaps and Guantanamo Bay - is a friend of "freedom". I don't want to speak for C7 anymore than I already have, but I'd take things like that with a grain of salt. He tends to be the angry spazz pretty often as a means for humor. I thought it was funny. Besides, it was no more angry than the pledge in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 The GOP does not have a monopoly on ideals.Is this supposed to be earth shattering news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 Sorry, I hadn't meant to imply they were. No need to be sorry. It wasn't implied. Your post was strictly pointed at C7 and his particular life choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Here's my anti-social pledge. [YOUTUBE]-t0affoV5rI[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Orph Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 I live in a social democratic country as well. I admit I don't have to pay tuition at the best university too, but: -the student loan doesn't even cover rent for the {censored}tiest room in the city -if I worked 40 hours a month that would barely cover food + the public transportation ticket -the queues for any kind of serious treatment in the public healthcare range from several months to a couple years -the government doesn't reimburse {censored}, the employer has to pay sick employees -the dole is about the same as the student loan Therefore I have no idea where does 40% of my paycheck go (19% PIT, the rest is social security). Dunno about the university as a whole, but my faculty supports itself through tuition from paying students (about 2/3 of students pay at my faculty). Your social democracy may work because your country is filthy rich in general, but your wealth will inevitably dissipate through socialist wasting Haha ! You've got a couple of good points there Queues for medical treatment are a pain to deal with, however, if it's a serious ailment that's severely affecting quality of life of general health, you will get priority (here at least). I had to wait a year for my hand surgery (which directly affected my ability to write and use my right hand to any extent without experiencing severe cramps) that a government facility botched in the first place. Of course, all types of governing has it's drawbacks. Norway is far from spotless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t3ch Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 No need to be sorry. It wasn't implied. Your post was strictly pointed at C7 and his particular life choices.Just what exactly are you trying to imply here, buster?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jasper383 Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Cartels and monopolies seem to be the end game of free economies. The little companies fold or sell to larger ones, leaving the big ones to muscle consumers for fun and profit. Theoretically yes. But, is this actually happening in the US? I'd be willing to bet that the Fortune 500 companies market cap, as a percentage of GDP, is smaller now than it was 25, 50, 100 years ago. 50 years ago--one telephone company, 3 TV networks, 3 car companies, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 What really kills me is the extremist rhetoric about health care reform. Face it: you guys are already slaves to insurance that charges but wriggles out of paying to make profit and big pharma that will charge whatever the hospitals and insurance companies can bear. Ever thought that the reason why America hasn't gone to 40 mpg diesel engines might be that the oil and gas infrastructure prefers that you pay top dollar for gasoline at 20 mpg? If you think you're living in a free market which always delivers the cheapest prices and best advantage to you the consumer, I'd suggest you look a bit further into it. IMO Gov't is needed to bust up the cartels which the populace winds up serving. Cartels and monopolies seem to be the end game of free economies. The little companies fold or sell to larger ones, leaving the big ones to muscle consumers for fun and profit. IMO I'd want to live in a democracy, not a defacto economic oligarchy where the royal family - CEOs steal shareholder profits with exhorbitant salaries and bonus structures, and consumers are abused when they have no where else to shop. Canada, IIRC correctly, set up a different insurance structure for retirement and health care, so that insurance companies couldn't simply charge whatever would be borne. I could not agree more.Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 If you think you're living in a free market which always delivers the cheapest prices and best advantage to you the consumer, I'd suggest you look a bit further into it. IMO Gov't is needed to bust up the cartels which the populace winds up serving. Cartels and monopolies seem to be the end game of free economies. The little companies fold or sell to larger ones, leaving the big ones to muscle consumers for fun and profit.Well the Federal government doesn't allow health insurance to be sold across state lines, so we (US health insurance buyers) really haven't been afforded the opportunity to have true competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Food for thought:http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/21/qa.dave.matthews/index.html CNN: Everything has gone to such a frenzied pitch.Matthews: I think a lot of it has to be on the press. We give the podium to a lot of people who shouldn't have the podium. The message that's delivered the loudest and in the most entertaining way is the one that we're going to put on because that's what we want. We want ratings more than we want to deliver information. That's just where the culture's gotten.There's no way that Walter Cronkite, as a young journalist, no way Ed Murrow would be hired to do news today. Not a chance.CNN: Because they're too low-key? Because they're not bombastic?Matthews: Because they're thoughtful, and they're patient, and they're tying to tell you a truly balanced story. They're trying to impart information. I don't think that's the goal [now] because it's not a good business plan. ...Everyone's outraged all the time. Why are you outraged? There's war -- there's always been war, as long as most of us have been alive. There have always been people being abused, there's always been horrible things in the world. Why are we outraged? We should just be quiet and figure it out, and work it out together. ... There's no solution in Washington as long as people are shouting like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Listen you old fart, don't make me turn you into Soilent Green Soilent Green is Lug!!!!!!!! I'll be Soilent Green if only women eat me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 Food for thought: http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/21/qa.dave.matthews/index.html This from a guy whose bus driver dumped the bus' poop in the Chicago River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachoff Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 These folks don't want socialism... That's for sure:http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/album.php?aid=169113&id=1066985716&ref=share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 I'll be Soilent Green if only women eat me. Why, you got something against Chuck Heston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 These folks don't want socialism... That's for sure:http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/album.php?aid=169113&id=1066985716&ref=shareThat "Morans" picture says more about St Louis Cardinal fans than it ever could teabaggers, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 This from a guy whose bus driver dumped the bus' poop in the Chicago River. Yeah, I heard about that. He was just sharing the love with his "community". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Why, you got something against Chuck Heston That dude's been Soilent Green for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LouSpaceMonkey Posted September 21, 2009 Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 That dude's been Soilent Green for a while now. Lies, all lies, he's hangin with Walt in the castle, planning a come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 Yeah, I heard about that. He was just sharing the love with his "community". He could have just dumped a bunch of the bands CDs. Same difference to a lot of folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members philthygeezer Posted September 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2009 Or it could be that the federal government has mandated a mpg limit on the total number of cars sold (CAFE). It behooves Detroit to sell a bunch of cheap, low end econoboxes to make big profit off of the Luxury SUV market. No it doesn't. That's just the way Detroit picks to solve their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 21, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2009 No it doesn't. That's just the way Detroit picks to solve their problems.Get back to me when you think soccer moms are going to be buying a bunch of turbo-diesels when most gas stations don't even have one diesel fuel pump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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