Members toddkuen Posted December 6, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2012 I was thinking too about how it seems that, for a variety of reasons, the bar/club model for live music entertainment also seems to have competition as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members toddkuen Posted December 6, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2012 I was thinking too about how it seems that, for a variety of reasons, the bar/club model for live music entertainment also seems to have competition as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIMKEYS Posted December 6, 2012 Members Share Posted December 6, 2012 Originally Posted by guido61 Because going out and partying and going to clubs has NEVER been about the music. Or at least not completely. Everything is true about drink prices and DUI laws, but it's also true that you're not going to meet a hot new chick and get laid at home. When you're young and single, going out is at LEAST a weekly (if not practically nightly) event. When you get older--especially once you've gotten married---not so much. As far as the music goes? I don't think it's as much about how the songs were written/performed as it is the nature of the live performance. Songs have been written by committees since at least the time that Berry Gordy opened up shop. People will go out and dance to DJs. Or watch Karaoke. They aren't particularly interested in seeing the music performed on the authentic instruments or being just-like-they-heard-it on the radio. Only musicians know the difference, for the most part. They just want to be entertained. If live bands want to compete with all the latest media delivery devices, then they've got to figure out new ways to be interesting and exciting. 4 guys playing guitars and drums has been the standard for 60 years now. They are trying to compete in a world of iPhones and Home Theaters with a black-and-white-TV-set-equivilant delivery system. Not sure I can agree with that one. House parties can be very productive for a single guy. Nothing says sure thing like a friend wife inviting her single girl friend or co worker to a house party. I never was much on the bar scene. Back in the day we just didnt drink all that much , but we did get a lot of fresh air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIMKEYS Posted December 6, 2012 Members Share Posted December 6, 2012 Originally Posted by guido61 Because going out and partying and going to clubs has NEVER been about the music. Or at least not completely. Everything is true about drink prices and DUI laws, but it's also true that you're not going to meet a hot new chick and get laid at home. When you're young and single, going out is at LEAST a weekly (if not practically nightly) event. When you get older--especially once you've gotten married---not so much. As far as the music goes? I don't think it's as much about how the songs were written/performed as it is the nature of the live performance. Songs have been written by committees since at least the time that Berry Gordy opened up shop. People will go out and dance to DJs. Or watch Karaoke. They aren't particularly interested in seeing the music performed on the authentic instruments or being just-like-they-heard-it on the radio. Only musicians know the difference, for the most part. They just want to be entertained. If live bands want to compete with all the latest media delivery devices, then they've got to figure out new ways to be interesting and exciting. 4 guys playing guitars and drums has been the standard for 60 years now. They are trying to compete in a world of iPhones and Home Theaters with a black-and-white-TV-set-equivilant delivery system. Not sure I can agree with that one. House parties can be very productive for a single guy. Nothing says sure thing like a friend wife inviting her single girl friend or co worker to a house party. I never was much on the bar scene. Back in the day we just didnt drink all that much , but we did get a lot of fresh air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 6, 2012 Members Share Posted December 6, 2012 Originally Posted by TIMKEYS Not sure I can agree with that one. House parties can be very productive for a single guy. Nothing says sure thing like a friend wife inviting her single girl friend or co worker to a house party. I can see that. I was always more of a "thrill of the chase" kinda guy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted December 6, 2012 Members Share Posted December 6, 2012 Originally Posted by TIMKEYS Not sure I can agree with that one. House parties can be very productive for a single guy. Nothing says sure thing like a friend wife inviting her single girl friend or co worker to a house party. I can see that. I was always more of a "thrill of the chase" kinda guy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I don't necessarily agree with the OP. I was raised on classic country, similar to your wife. But I also like some of the new country, pop, classic rock, bluegrass, folk and easy listening. I can also listen to classical music at times. I think a lot of it depends on the person and whether they let themselves listen to other types of music. Perhaps it shows how we were all created slightly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 I don't necessarily agree with the OP. I was raised on classic country, similar to your wife. But I also like some of the new country, pop, classic rock, bluegrass, folk and easy listening. I can also listen to classical music at times. I think a lot of it depends on the person and whether they let themselves listen to other types of music. Perhaps it shows how we were all created slightly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIMKEYS Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by guido61 I can see that. I was always more of a "thrill of the chase" kinda guy though. I was into catch and release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIMKEYS Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by guido61 I can see that. I was always more of a "thrill of the chase" kinda guy though. I was into catch and release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpaceNorman Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by TIMKEYS I was into catch and release Agreed - "catch and release" certainly trumps "thrill of the chase" in this case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpaceNorman Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by TIMKEYS I was into catch and release Agreed - "catch and release" certainly trumps "thrill of the chase" in this case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by wheresgrant3 I gotta be honest. NY has some of the toughest DUI laws in the country. Zero Tolerence. 1st Offense is a 90 day mandatory suspension (most are 6 months depending on the level)a stiff fine, mandatory classes and usually costs about $4-5K to defend. In 10 years of playing on the club scene I've never heard anyone say they weren't going out because they were afraid of getting a DUI. Not once. I've heard them mentioning avoiding a club, particular highway or a location because of activity or noteable check points. No one does house parties around here. To start, most everyone lives with their parents until their 30's... most don't buy their first home until their mid-30's. And no want wants to entertain much where they rent. Here in the Northeast... cover band age is pretty much 25-45. Those under 25 are still into the original scene, dance clubs, DJ's etc. They usually start hooking on to bands when they get their first 'office' job... when people meet up after work together and find live music. This is just my experience... but most of the large A-list clubs that book live entertainment here are catering to that 25-45 blue collar/semi-professional working crowd. There's a hearty nightlife between 10pm and 2am (some cities 3-4am) Things are different in NY. By the same token my company is based in Northern CA (Santa Rosa). In the 10 years I've flown out for annual meetings, most bars are closed by 12am and it's usually 'sleepyville' even in the suburbs after 10pm. Going out is not much of a lifestyle and people certainly like to entertain at home. So I can see the difference for bands and musicians in different markets. This is true I am in Upstate NY and the scene is not bad but is different than other parts of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by wheresgrant3 I gotta be honest. NY has some of the toughest DUI laws in the country. Zero Tolerence. 1st Offense is a 90 day mandatory suspension (most are 6 months depending on the level)a stiff fine, mandatory classes and usually costs about $4-5K to defend. In 10 years of playing on the club scene I've never heard anyone say they weren't going out because they were afraid of getting a DUI. Not once. I've heard them mentioning avoiding a club, particular highway or a location because of activity or noteable check points. No one does house parties around here. To start, most everyone lives with their parents until their 30's... most don't buy their first home until their mid-30's. And no want wants to entertain much where they rent. Here in the Northeast... cover band age is pretty much 25-45. Those under 25 are still into the original scene, dance clubs, DJ's etc. They usually start hooking on to bands when they get their first 'office' job... when people meet up after work together and find live music. This is just my experience... but most of the large A-list clubs that book live entertainment here are catering to that 25-45 blue collar/semi-professional working crowd. There's a hearty nightlife between 10pm and 2am (some cities 3-4am) Things are different in NY. By the same token my company is based in Northern CA (Santa Rosa). In the 10 years I've flown out for annual meetings, most bars are closed by 12am and it's usually 'sleepyville' even in the suburbs after 10pm. Going out is not much of a lifestyle and people certainly like to entertain at home. So I can see the difference for bands and musicians in different markets. This is true I am in Upstate NY and the scene is not bad but is different than other parts of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members New Trail Posted December 7, 2012 Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by guido61 ..... club attendance is a different issue. I don't think those "aging out" fans being discussed stopped liking the music they used to like. They just grow out of hanging out in bars on the weekends listening to it. True. As music fans get older, get married, have kids, have to take their kids to soccer, etc., they stop going to bars. The kind of music that THEY liked, music from their era, becomes less popular/accepted in bars because that demographic is no longer there to appreciate it. It's a problem that's being experienced by classic rock bands right now. Originally Posted by toddkuen .....In any case I think that there is also a modern trend especially with newer artists to focus on the latest media delivery devices - YouTube, iPhone, TV's with built in internet and Hulu, etc.No one wants a DUI. Pot laws are becoming more lenient in private.The music as is discussed here, is mixed more for headphones and harder to play live because of the number and type of tracks.Why not party at home? Especially since if you are young virtually all your favorite songs are available there.As a geezer I can have fun going out to see a guy playing out with a 6-string and a simple PA. Future generations won't have this. The songs weren't written on guitars. Today's songs are written by committees. Do you yell at kids to get off your lawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members toddkuen Posted December 7, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly I don't necessarily agree with the OP. I was raised on classic country, similar to your wife. But I also like some of the new country, pop, classic rock, bluegrass, folk and easy listening. I can also listen to classical music at times. I think a lot of it depends on the person and whether they let themselves listen to other types of music. Perhaps it shows how we were all created slightly different. Yeah - I am much the same as you but as a kid raised on Broadway musicals. I think to some degree how and where you "age out" is artist specific and depends on what the artist does over time. The deaths of Patsy Cline or Hank Williams probably made it easier for people "lock in" on their work as classic. Compare them to, say Neil Young, and his early work and then his weird 1980's stuff with vocoders. I can see people walking away from his 1980s stuff. Like finger prints I think everyone's musical taste is unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steadfastly Posted December 8, 2012 Members Share Posted December 8, 2012 Originally Posted by toddkuen Yeah - I am much the same as you but as a kid raised on Broadway musicals. I think to some degree how and where you "age out" is artist specific and depends on what the artist does over time. The deaths of Patsy Cline or Hank Williams probably made it easier for people "lock in" on their work as classic. Compare them to, say Neil Young, and his early work and then his weird 1980's stuff with vocoders. I can see people walking away from his 1980s stuff. Like finger prints I think everyone's musical taste is unique. Neil was around in the 80's? Not as bad as Zappa but that far out on the right wing stuff didn't go over that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members toddkuen Posted December 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted December 8, 2012 This is like 1982... Not a lot of his fans even want to admit this exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted December 9, 2012 Members Share Posted December 9, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly Neil was around in the 80's? Not as bad as Zappa but that far out on the right wing stuff didn't go over that well. Neil Young made a record every year of the 1980s but 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted December 9, 2012 Members Share Posted December 9, 2012 Originally Posted by Steadfastly Neil was around in the 80's? Not as bad as Zappa but that far out on the right wing stuff didn't go over that well. Neil Young made a record every year of the 1980s but 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wheresgrant3 Posted December 9, 2012 Members Share Posted December 9, 2012 Originally Posted by toddkuen This is like 1982... Not a lot of his fans even want to admit this exists. Just an aside...Pretty freaky. Considering the fact that I use a vocoder live this isn't completely computing for me. For instance it's obvious that Neil is vocoding the signal he sings but the keyboard player (or someone off stage is controlling the pitch)... and during the bridge at 3:00 perhaps someone else is vocoding in unison... yet the note holds at the end of the bridge while Neil jumps back into the chorus again. The whole performance is strange yet I'm really curious how they pulled it off live... especially since Neil is moving all over the stage and they don't have an ounce of feedback/gain issues. Could good ole' Neil be lip syncing that performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members turnip Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by New Trail True. As music fans get older, get married, have kids, have to take their kids to soccer, etc., they stop going to bars. The kind of music that THEY liked, music from their era, becomes less popular/accepted in bars because that demographic is no longer there to appreciate it. It's a problem that's being experienced by classic rock bands right now. Man, this. My girlfriend and I have been trying to find a club/bar/venue that caters to the music we grew up loving: industrial/industrial-metal/goth. Bands like Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb, Ministry, Front 242, (old) Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Fields of the Nephilim, Mission UK, etc... We've come to the same conclusion. People that really, really like that music (and most of us still do!) are just too... old to go out and drink and dance et cetera. Most of them have jobs, kids, mortgages... and the new crowd just isn't the same. It's not the same kid of music, even if you go to a "goth" or "industrial" club... the genres have moved on, and no one plays the "old-guard" stuff anymore. I never thought it'd happen, but I've been "aged-out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by turnip Man, this. My girlfriend and I have been trying to find a club/bar/venue that caters to the music we grew up loving: industrial/industrial-metal/goth. Bands like Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb, Ministry, Front 242, (old) Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Fields of the Nephilim, Mission UK, etc... We've come to the same conclusion. People that really, really like that music (and most of us still do!) are just too... old to go out and drink and dance et cetera. Most of them have jobs, kids, mortgages... and the new crowd just isn't the same. It's not the same kid of music, even if you go to a "goth" or "industrial" club... the genres have moved on, and no one plays the "old-guard" stuff anymore. I never thought it'd happen, but I've been "aged-out". http://neo-chicago.com/ You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fingerpicker Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 But club attendance is a different issue. I don't think those "aging out" fans being discussed stopped liking the music they used to like. They just grow out of hanging out in bars on the weekends listening to it. Bingo..>!Also "todays music is made by committee's" Huh?? Right now there is alot of great music coming out (especially acoustic based)AND some of it is on mainstream radio, you just have to listen. On the billboard top 40 right now I can pick 5 examples minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Potts Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Originally Posted by fingerpicker Bingo..>!Also "todays music is made by committee's" Huh?? Right now there is alot of great music coming out (especially acoustic based)AND some of it is on mainstream radio, you just have to listen. On the billboard top 40 right now I can pick 5 examples minimum. Here's one... Here's another...Damn I love this band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.