Members RoadRanger Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 Has anyone ever seen a commercial "half width" rack? I have some half rack stuff I'd like to rack up - maybe 4U's worth. Or I could just duck tape them together . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 Nope, 2 half-racks make up a whole rack and whole racks are what manufacturers make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axisplayer Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 I buy one space rack shelfs for odd size gear and remove the rubber feet from the gear, drill holes in the shelf that line up with the feet and then put the screws through the shelf instead of using the feet. Works for gear with feet. Without feet I use rolls of 2" wide velcro on the bottom of the gear and the shelf to hold them in place. Never had an issue, although not my preferred method if I have any alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonotes Posted March 29, 2012 Members Share Posted March 29, 2012 http://www.middleatlantic.com/enclosure/sa/hrf.htm Don't know if they're available yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 http://www.middleatlantic.com/enclosure/sa/hrf.htmDon't know if they're available yet. Never seen one in person. Maybe something super specialized, or was built for a specific client where they needed a large number of a particular device and 1/2-rack made sense to tool up for, but just speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lonotes Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 Never seen one in person. Maybe something super specialized, or was built for a specific client where they needed a large number of a particular device and 1/2-rack made sense to tool up for, but just speculating. No, you haven't seen one yet. It's a proposed standard that was just announced a couple of weeks ago. Middle Atlantic and extron are pushing to get it adopted. That's why I said that it may not be available yet, but who knows how far down the pike it could be? http://www.cepro.com/article/middle_atlantic_extron_initiate_half_rack_standard/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 Never seen one in person. Maybe something super specialized, or was built for a specific client where they needed a large number of a particular device and 1/2-rack made sense to tool up for, but just speculating. or maybe home studio owners that own a lot of half space type of gear ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trevcda Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 Something like this maybe? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-gm-4wr-4-wireless-mic-system-case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IsildursBane Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 With the possible exception of wireless receivers, I don't know that I've ever known anybody who had enough half-rack sized equipment to justify buying an entire rack for it. Most of the gear I've seen in that size either fits on a universal tray or can be fitted to hardware to mount it in a regular rack either by itself or with another unit of the same size form the same mfg. But this is the audio industry, which is a tiny market. I wonder if this format is more popular in network, telecom, or broadcast industries.-Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 30, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 This is for a bass rig that needs to sit on top of cabs as small as 13" wide. Here's what I'm thinking of having in it:Wireless Receiver (VHF)DBX 163X CompressorMicro AmpRolls PM351 Personal Monitor MixerIEM Transmitter (UHF) I'm hoping the transmitter and receiver can live in the same rack - dunno what to do if they won't "get along"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 Half-rack racks would seen to me to be a pretty small market overall. With the digital console "revolution", it's going to get smaller as the entry level digital consoles are the only ones that would have custonmers in the 1/2-rack catagory anyway, and that gear will become harder and harder to get rid of (at minimal loss). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 the 1/2 rack thing I thought would be a standard of 10" wide not 10 5/8". Many DJ mixers use the 10" width but there hasn't been much of a push for racking those. I like the gator case, neat idea... except for 2 things: what about power? there is no place to plug in all 4 wall warts so you know there's gonna be some spagetti in there. 2 is why buy a case for $229 then buy 4 wireless mics that are under $100ea? I doubt anyone buying crap wireless would pay that much for a case. Gator makes this:http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-gm-1wp-ata-wireless-microphone-system-case/546114000000000which I actually bought to house an EV MS3000 wireless. it died sometime 2 yrs ago and I haven't bought another wireless to put in the case. I can't believe I spent almost as much on the case as the mic... wait... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IsildursBane Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 I doubt anyone buying crap wireless would pay that much for a case. Just like they wouldn't spend $100 on a cable for a $300 guitar? -Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 30, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 I like the gator case, neat idea... except for 2 things: what about power? there is no place to plug in all 4 wall warts so you know there's gonna be some spagetti in there.Yah, I could just velcro everything together except for that. Also the signal cords are gonna be a mess and there's enough I/O that I might want a patch panel? I might start by velcroing it up and making all custom length interconnect cables to manage that part of the mess and seeing what else needs doing. I might have enough room in my 13" of allowable width to make a "compartment" for the wall warts next to the stuff instead of underneath or behind. Does sound like I'm gonna have to pull a "Coaster" and roll my own . The wireless receiver has top antennas so I don't want a rack that covers that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 I use the ATW 2120 wireless mics a lot, I've got 10 of them. One rack has 3, one has 4, one has 2, another is in the rear of an amp rack used 2x a week by rock-bot. None seem to have any issue with being in a rack vs free standing, all have about 100ft of range indoors and I've gotten a little over 150 in downtown seattle outdoors. Many AV companies use the shure ULX with anntenna on the front in pairs and a rack drawer. Works great along with a rack power strip and to leave the 10ft XLR tails attached (no patch panel needed). Works for me anyway and it's modular, can be used with any system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 30, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 What I'm worried about is having both a transmitter (IEM) and a receiver (instrument) in the same rack. They are in completely different bands so may be OK - guess I'll have to try it and see . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 What I'm worried about is having both a transmitter (IEM) and a receiver (instrument) in the same rack. They are in completely different bands so may be OK - guess I'll have to try it and see . There can still be issues because of relative signal strength within a nearby spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LewnWorx Posted March 30, 2012 Members Share Posted March 30, 2012 There's half rack stuff out there. Can't recall the brand name or models, but I know it exists. Several phone system vendors (Avaya being one) use half rack width's for some of their stuff, and there's a number of doodads made for A/V integration that use half rack width. Kinna goofy, but it's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 31, 2012 There can still be issues because of relative signal strength within a nearby spectrum.One's VHF and one's UHF so I might be OK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted March 31, 2012 Members Share Posted March 31, 2012 well then start a half rack build thread. if you drive to fargo i can get you started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 31, 2012 well then start a half rack build thread. if you drive to fargo i can get you started.On my way! Left at the third cow, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 31, 2012 Members Share Posted March 31, 2012 One's VHF and one's UHF so I might be OK... Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coaster Posted April 1, 2012 Members Share Posted April 1, 2012 On my way! Left at the third cow, right? actually cows are more of a Greeley thing. some cows here, not more than anywhere else really. drive until the ground gets so flat you think it cannot get any more flat. then drive till its even flatter than that. when the days turn gray and the grass turns brown and you feel a general sense of depression you are almost there. keep driving until you lose all hope. then you will be in fargo. not so far from the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted April 1, 2012 Members Share Posted April 1, 2012 One of my first gigs was at a venue nearby. There was a rack at FOH that had about 6 of half-rack dbx comps and 4 wireless receivers. someone had fashioned makeshift rackmounts by screwing and duct taping them together and shoving them into the rack. The whole thing drooped in the middle and it made me lol every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madjack Posted April 1, 2012 Members Share Posted April 1, 2012 actually cows are more of a Greeley thing. some cows here, not more than anywhere else really. drive until the ground gets so flat you think it cannot get any more flat. then drive till its even flatter than that. when the days turn gray and the grass turns brown and you feel a general sense of depression you are almost there. keep driving until you lose all hope. then you will be in fargo. not so far from the truth Q; Why do kids in North Dakota play tag? A; No trees for hide and seek!:poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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