Members swardle Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 Just listened to the demos. I don't hear anything revolutionary here. Just more of the same stuff that most keyboardists consider to be good music. I really don't get why a lot of synth players feel that obnoxious filtering is some demonstration of talent. Use the filter to add shades of color and movement. And the vocodor thing. It's really an awesome tool when it's not used for some nerdy vocal robot effect (i.e. the Radias demos). Who listens to kind of crappy music anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SumDumGuy Posted January 21, 2006 Members Share Posted January 21, 2006 Thank you Flukewurm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by swardle And the vocodor thing. It's really an awesome tool when it's not used for some nerdy vocal robot effect (i.e. the Radias demos). Who listens to kind of crappy music anyway? A lot of people. My record collection features LPs and CDs as diverse as Tania Maria, McCoy Tyner, Yes, ECM jazz and Detroit Techno. I really like the cascades track... it had a lot of taste and musicality.. it was obviously not put together by a beginner... there was some nice chord changes, tasteful filter and great programming overall... I don't think the Radias is my kind of synth, I think I'd rather go the software route for that kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members syncretism Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 i try not to fan gas-fueled wildfires, but our friends @ampfea have already set up a discussion list: http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/radias-list a bit early, yeah, but you're presumably guaranteed to find other people who really want it, and it's fun to talk about gear one wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cl516 Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 you know what's sad, is I really digged the Cascade demo Radias track, and it just reminded me even more that if I wanna make cool tracks like that, a $2k VA synth is probably the last thing I need... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 you know what's sad, is I really digged the Cascade demo Radias track, Yes, that is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by swardle Yes, that is sad. And there we have it Ladies and Gentleman...... the best post on HC ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 You have to luv out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Alright orangefunk, Let's not get carried away. I wasn't trying to be mean to the guy or anything. I just feel bad when musicians with potential get sucked into dance/techno-ville. You were the kid's age at one point. You know how kids fall pray to bad advertising and such. -SW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Windreaper Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by clusterchord first of all they should remove PCM section. they can cut down the polyphony (DSP power), even in the fx section. Tell me about it. I was interested in the Oasys modeling technology too, kind of shame it came in such bloated package. I could have done with a 12 voice model in a simple aluminium box, bundled with 3 oct keyboard. As with you, I could probably live without the PCM section or vocoder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MuzikB Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by swardle Alright orangefunk, Let's not get carried away. I wasn't trying to be mean to the guy or anything. I just feel bad when musicians with potential get sucked into dance/techno-ville. -SW So are you saying that musicians in dance/techno-ville have no talent or that they settle for a lesser form of music? Whether you like it or not it IS a popular music form and all of it doesn't sound like 2 Unlimited. Opinions like yours is part of the reason I keep leaving America to make lucrative gains in other countries. Disco started in America......House started in America.......Techno started in America....... Yet, how is it that the country that started it all generally rejects these forms and there evolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John B NYC Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by MuzikB So are you saying that musicians in dance/techno-ville have no talent or that they settle for a lesser form of music?Whether you like it or not it IS a popular music form and all of it doesn't sound like 2 Unlimited. Opinions like yours is part of the reason I keep leaving America to make lucrative gains in other countries.Disco started in America......House started in America.......Techno started in America.......Yet, how is it that the country that started it all generally rejects these forms and there evolution? The american Audience has almost 0 Attention span, if it doesnt have a catchy chorus, or riff that gets stuck in your head it will never make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MuzikB Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by John B NYC The american Audience has almost 0 Attention span, if it doesnt have a catchy chorus, or riff that gets stuck in your head it will never make it. Yeah, like "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" A song about a mouth full of precious metal and gems, and another song about a woman's humps goes gold and platinum but something as evocative as Larry Heard's latest works gets hardly any press or recognition. I really don't understand why so many British artists want to break into America. Jamiroquai even changed their style a bit to try to break the states when you have a very fruitful European market screaming for the stuff and who's societies support it fully from media to higher education. I don't know John. Maybe I should sample more familiar older songs into my tracks for some familiarity before taking a stab at the American market. Not that I feel any need to bother with the market here but I am here and might be here for some time. I could also hibernate and learn my synths inside and out until I get back to England or move to Canada. Or come on over to your house John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike51 Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by John B NYC The american Audience has almost 0 Attention span, if it doesnt have a catchy chorus, or riff that gets stuck in your head it will never make it. That is what is referred to as "good songwriting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spritex Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 There is a striving underground culture of electronic music that is worlds away from the catchy choruses of the money-push MTV chart music. This is where the Radiases and whatnot are used to the full. Thank god not everything is stuck in the pop formula. There is still room for rythmical, harmonical, melodical and sonical experimentation. Some of it is crap too, of course. You should visit Germany sometimes, which is where this kind of thing is best appreciated. But it's a worldwide culture, you just wouldn't know about it since it's not in the mainstream. Try http://www.deepmix.ru/index-e.php for example at some point. They have a constant mp3 stream and pretty good stuff going on most of the time. Oh and do listen to to it for more than half a minute. Some of this stuff needs to be listened to be understood. (Might also be an aquired taste.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cl516 Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 yo Swardle, what, you don't like the Cascade Radias demo?You don't like electronic technoville? Then go buy a fender strat and play some guitar or learn how to play erhu and enjoy classical Chinese music. There's plenty of different music out there for everyone. i still think that demo is awesome when it breaks into the 2nd part. and i still think another VA (or softsynth for that matter) is the LAST damn thing anyone needs to write a good song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike51 Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by cl516 i still think another VA (or softsynth for that matter) is the LAST damn thing anyone needs to write a good song. bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John B NYC Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by Mike51 That is what is referred to as "good songwriting". I guess if you consider the Lyrics like "holla back girl" or "drop it like its hot" well writtin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike51 Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by John B NYC I guess if you consider the Lyrics like "holla back girl" or "drop it like its hot" well writtin. Holla Back girl is a great tune.It's one of those songs where lyrics really don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 I don't recall saying good music has to be a guitar-driven verse-chorus w/hooks sort of thing. I'm just saying that most of these young synthesizer players feel like it is necessary to be obnoxoius with filters the way some guitarists think that mindlessly rocking a wah pedal back and forth takes talent. And yes, I am not impressed by the Radias demos. Sounds pretty much like Casio Muzak to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by swardle I just feel bad when musicians with potential get sucked into dance/techno-ville. that's funny ... i play Hammond organ in a soul jazz context, which means my right hand is soloing or comping while my left hand and left foot are always playing bass AND i lead the band while doing it, because the organist ALWAYS leads the band no matter whose name is on the sign. so this means i'm a musician. a muso. one who plays {censored} with fingers on keys in rhythm and key. i had to practise my ass off to be able to do this. in fact, i just got back from Jim's Steakhouse (and yes i did drink the {censored} out of some maker's mark manhattans) here in Peoria where i closed out the night (ed and judy decided to hand over their last set to me so they could do tequila shots or something) with my singer woman friend and my drummer playing al green, isaac hayes, and pet shop boys tunes. you can probably acknowledge that people who do this sort of thing do actually have traditional music skills involving listening, keeping time, familiarity with style, awareness of standard repertoire etc ... that said, one of the finest {censored}ing musicians i've ever met in my life happens to be an old school acid house guy named Distortech. he has a grace and mastery over the x0x boxes in a dance context which rivals the grace and mastery of some high-calibre acts i've seen in my life. watching him work the 303/909 rig is like watching {censored}ing Vangelis play a CS-80 or Lonnie Smith play organ ... these mother{censored}ers know what to do and what they're good at, and understand the tools they need to do the job. so just remember: just because it's got a four-on-the-floor doesn't mean it's bad music and it definitely doesn't mean that the person who made it isn't a musician who has nurtured his skill and worked his ass off to do it. now ... if they make _{censored}ty_ dance music then {censored}in' fry 'em up. Originally posted by swardle And yes, I am not impressed by the Radias demos. Sounds pretty much like Casio Muzak to me. dude what were the last 10 albums you listened to? i really want to know, because i don't think these demos sound like "Casio Muzak" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elsongs Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 The Radias' high end is very sharp, very biting, kind of like the old Z1 and the Electribe ER-1. It's design is cool yet a little impractical. For a 4-octave keybaord it sure leaves a huge footprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members radiospace Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by John B NYC I guess if you consider the Lyrics like "holla back girl" or "drop it like its hot" well writtin. Tutti frutti, oh rutti,Tutti frutti, oh rutti,Tutti frutti, oh rutti,Tutti frutti, oh rutti,Tutti frutti, oh rutti,Whop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members morten'J Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 here is a near picture of Radias and it cost 1599 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 22, 2006 Members Share Posted January 22, 2006 Originally posted by flukewurm like i said. if all the drum kits are strictly PCM then that is a bummer for sure. i dont mind the ability to use both. but if you can't configure a kit to use 16 sounds generated by the synth engine then thats a pitty. Yes it would be nice to take the ER concept a stage further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.