Members Angry Tele Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 recently there was a favorite muff poll and this came out on top IIRC http://norfolk.craigslist.org/msg/2870420343.html seems a little high no? im thinking $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WildBilly Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Black Keys'd I don't follow pricing on those but I always thought those to be up closer to $250, I may be completely wrong. In the spirit of CL, just offer $120 cash and call it a steal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted March 18, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Black Keys'dI don't follow pricing on those but I always thought those to be up closer to $250, I may be completely wrong. In the spirit of CL, just offer $120 cash and call it a steal oh...good to know. Ill see what others say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted March 18, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 switch looks odd doesnt it? Like its falling into the enclosure or something. maybe its the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members arthurdent'd Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 nope, Big Muffs suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Angry Tele Posted March 18, 2012 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 nope, Big Muffs suck. i find them to be hit or miss. especially the older nones. good ones are godtone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members arthurdent'd Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 they just disappear in a band mix, in my experience. People around here say I'm doing it wrong, could be I am dumb. They are fun for recording, the singing sustain is cool, but I have had terrible results at band volume with them, I am more of an OD guy I guess. The prices of vintage Big Muffs are absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members who235 Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 At this point in history, Russian Muff with no mids control = complete and utter failure. There are so many other options out there that sound just as good and allow for greater control of your sound. Green Russian Muffs sound fine, but there is no reason other than collector value to pick one up. The sound does not justify the price at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members conky Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 I wouldn't pay that much for it. I'd just get one of the black box transition ones that have the same circuit for 65 - 80 bucks and save money. Or get a Supercollider and have all that green muff tone and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 $190? No. I got one for $100 and that was just right. Anything more than that and I'd just buy a used Hoof. They're close enough and they don't have the poopy bypass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.P. Lovecraft Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Yeah, the switch has been swapped out. IMO, you'd be better off just getting a W&C Tall Font Russian. Better build, has 9v adapter jack already, and is brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhamnett Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 I got one for $20 even after prices got crazy on these. Just wait, there'll be better opportunities. OR, just make one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blakemore Effects Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 I've found the build quality on the Russian ones I've tried to be subpar. Maybe I've had bad luck, but every Russian Muff I've tried has had some sort of issue. Intermittent footswitch, jacks that won't tighten, etc. I wouldn't pay $190. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cisco Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Call me crazy but.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Folky_Grunge Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Call me crazy but.......... I was just about to suggest the same thing. The Bass Big Muffs sound great; I don't know why anyone pays more for a green Russian Muff, clone or original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cisco Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 I was just about to suggest the same thing. The Bass Big Muffs sound great; I don't know why anyone pays more for a green Russian Muff, clone or original. They also sell for $83. No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Naterel Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 the mojo lives in the big box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Balthazar Munoz Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 I gotsta stand up for the Green Russian Muff. Outstanding sounding Muff. Does what a Muff should do.Ya can get one in nicer shape for about the same amount of money on 'the bay though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterstomach Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Odd to see a thread where everyone's slamming the green russian so hard. They generally sell for more than that, but with the replaced footswitch the value comes down a little. But he'll probably get that for it. People here like to brag about the deals they've gotten on gear and scoff at what appears to be pretty normal prices. You can wait around as long as you want and you're not going to find one for $20, ever. I saw one about two or three years back for $80 and didn't have the money for it and kicked myself for that. I found my civil war muff for $120, but i would never expect to see that price again, and haven't seen any of the greenies or civil wars for that cheap since then. The fact of the matter is, if you want a real green russian, you should be ready to put up $150-200, unless you want to lurk around for years for a deal you can brag about on the internet. Maybe you won't have to spend that much, but if you want to go out and buy one without {censored}ing around, that's what you should have in your pocket. As far as as far as sound and build quality and whatnot, they certainly have their problems. The bypass sucks, the build quality is somewhat shoddy, the jacks are weird and {censored}ty, there's no 9v jack. But if you find one that sounds good, it's {censored}ing incredible. I've had a lot of pedals based on the green muff and played a lot more, and none of them could convince me to sell my sovtek muff. I've had or have a hoof, a musket, a manx, a supercollider, and a lstr. The other guitarist in my band has a bass big muff. All of those are great pedals and many of them have their own unique sound, but i haven't gotten the sound and feel of the muff out of them. It has an aggression and grit and sustain that's incredible. I like to run an ocd in front of it to help mitigate the mids issue and the two of those stacked is just heavenly. Of all the pedals i've mentioned, the musket and the manx could be dialed in closest to the muff. The musket just lacked something at that setting. The tone was close, but it lacked the thunder a bit. The hoof is awesome and i sing it's praises a lot, but it sounds like it's own thing no matter what. Like conky said, the big box black ones have the same circuit if you can find one. The small box ones aren't as cool. Sorry for the long post. Short version, if you can get that pedal for $150, you're doing alright. Offering him $100 is lowballing to the extreme. Despite what the haters say, the hype on sovtek muffs is pretty warranted, though the prices can get a bit wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jisatsu Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 Odd to see a thread where everyone's slamming the green russian so hard. They generally sell for more than that, but with the replaced footswitch the value comes down a little. But he'll probably get that for it. People here like to brag about the deals they've gotten on gear and scoff at what appears to be pretty normal prices. You can wait around as long as you want and you're not going to find one for $20, ever. I saw one about two or three years back for $80 and didn't have the money for it and kicked myself for that. I found my civil war muff for $120, but i would never expect to see that price again, and haven't seen any of the greenies or civil wars for that cheap since then. The fact of the matter is, if you want a real green russian, you should be ready to put up $150-200, unless you want to lurk around for years for a deal you can brag about on the internet. Maybe you won't have to spend that much, but if you want to go out and buy one without {censored}ing around, that's what you should have in your pocket. As far as as far as sound and build quality and whatnot, they certainly have their problems. The bypass sucks, the build quality is somewhat shoddy, the jacks are weird and {censored}ty, there's no 9v jack. But if you find one that sounds good, it's {censored}ing incredible. I've had a lot of pedals based on the green muff and played a lot more, and none of them could convince me to sell my sovtek muff. I've had or have a hoof, a musket, a manx, a supercollider, and a lstr. The other guitarist in my band has a bass big muff. All of those are great pedals and many of them have their own unique sound, but i haven't gotten the sound and feel of the muff out of them. It has an aggression and grit and sustain that's incredible. I like to run an ocd in front of it to help mitigate the mids issue and the two of those stacked is just heavenly. Of all the pedals i've mentioned, the musket and the manx could be dialed in closest to the muff. The musket just lacked something at that setting. The tone was close, but it lacked the thunder a bit. The hoof is awesome and i sing it's praises a lot, but it sounds like it's own thing no matter what. Like conky said, the big box black ones have the same circuit if you can find one. The small box ones aren't as cool. Sorry for the long post. Short version, if you can get that pedal for $150, you're doing alright. Offering him $100 is lowballing to the extreme. Despite what the haters say, the hype on sovtek muffs is pretty warranted, though the prices can get a bit wild. Yeah, this sums it about it. I got my first one for like $60 bucks in the 90's if I remember correctly, then a few years back I saw one in mint condition with the feet and battery door for $100. I took it and now have two, my first one hiding in my dad's attic. You can say what you want about them not sitting well in a band setting, but honestly there are ways to compensate for that. I prefer the green muff over the musket and a variety of other flavors I've tried through out the years. As far as prices go, I regularly see them in the $180-250 range, and most of those are beat up and falling apart. People with the good ones don't want to sell, so there's a reason that people who pick these pedals up for lower prices complain about build quality and sound. Both my muffs are in solid shape and surprisingly sound alike, which wasn't the case for the newer black sovtek muffs, which all sounded horrible to me, and not a consistant horrible either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BHz_econo Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 So which black russian version is the version to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jisatsu Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 So which black russian version is the version to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members misterstomach Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 So which black russian version is the version to get? the big box version with the six screw enclosure. the box is the same size as the green muff. the switch can be either the old clunky huge sovtek one or some of them had western footswitches. the circuit changed when they went to the small box, most of those enclosures had four screws, though some did have six. either way, the box is not as deep. the transitional big box black ones are often cheaper, but they can be pretty hard to find. they were only briefly produced and are somewhat rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members H.P. Lovecraft Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 The other thing I should mention is that if it looks as nice as it does in that picture there might be a reason for that. In other words, the ones that look like Bobba Fett's helmet look that way for a reason. They sounded amazing and were played accordingly. If its pristine it might not sound that great. And +3, I forgot all about the Bass Big Muff...sorta TGP'd there for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eric.chambers Posted March 18, 2012 Members Share Posted March 18, 2012 I remember I bought one when they first came out and I think I paid somewhere around $55 for mine brand new. So I would not pay anywhere close to $190 for one now. I thought it was a great muff and all, but with so many clones to pick from now for so much less money, I don't see why anyone would pay that much, unless they are a collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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