Members Danhedonia Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Musicians do indeed fill a need -- there's a difference (a huge one) between saying "no musicians should be paid" and "you in particular should not be paid."A front row seat to see Bruce Springsteen has a certain value. A table next to a dude doing a painful version of "Taxi" has a different value. That's capitalism!"Show up with the theremin you got 2 days ago and two ring modulators."{censored}ing this! Having said what I did, and having been in the painful position of having to tell people you genuinely like as friends "I'm sorry, your band's draw is not enough for that supporting slot for Yo La Tengo," I *do* think that if someone signs you up as a freebie .... well, you know: TIME TO TRY OUT NEW MATERIAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members coloringpad Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'll take an audience that does not speak, watches and listens to me play over pay. I enjoy (almost) never ever dealing with the leeches that are known as promoters. I happen to enjoy very bizarre atmospheres for music and despise cover bands and sound alikes. If Yo La Tengo digs what I do, then cool. They should feel free to ask me to come next door and play sometime. Getting paid would be nice, but at this point I just search for the opportunities to find new people to listen to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members driverhasabomb Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'll take an audience that does not speak, watches and listens to me play over pay. I enjoy (almost) never ever dealing with the leeches that are known as promoters. I happen to enjoy very bizarre atmospheres for music and despise cover bands and sound alikes. If Yo La Tengo digs what I do, then cool. They should feel free to ask me to come next door and play sometime. Getting paid would be nice, but at this point I just search for the opportunities to find new people to listen to us. I think most people on an effects forum are going to be like-minded enough to understand where you're coming from but I don't think there is anything wrong with using music to supplement or fulfill an income. It's odd for me because I kind of grew up in the diy punk rock scene where "getting paid" was looked down on, in a sense, to playing jazz where most players are union members and playing for free is an absurdity that never even comes up in conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members coloringpad Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 But pay the bands! I mean, free beer and gas money at the very least. Put it in the budget as a bar or turn on ESPN. Cable bill gets paid I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members coloringpad Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I think most people on an effects forum are going to be like-minded enough to understand where you're coming from but I don't think there is anything wrong with using music to supplement or fulfill an income. It's odd for me because I kind of grew up in the diy punk rock scene where "getting paid" was looked down on, in a sense, to playing jazz where most players are union members and playing for free is an absurdity that never even comes up in conversation. Only talking about my perspective. Sorry. See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sparkfriction Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 playd many times in a irish pub here for free... it was a good way to learn and grow and to meet some other nice people/musicans... oh yes and free beer and food! *bling, bling* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members STRANDMAN1 Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Don't let anyone pack your head about this. The difference between a "Pro" and an "Amateur" isn't talent, experience, chops, or popularity. The one and only difference is money. Just like athletes Pro musicians get payed and amateurs don't. That's the difference between art and the business of art. Everything else is bull {censored}. If you're looking for appreciation try to remember that real appreciation comes in the form of green backs. Willie said it best. "If you want to dance you've got to pay the band". It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beyer160 Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Musicians fill a need too. It's just emotional rather than mechanical. Not debating that, but music occupies a different slot on the hierarchy of needs. Lack of music has never killed anyone, lack of proper sanitation has. More people died during the Civil War due to dysentery than to bullets. Too many drummers, not enough plumbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 iPhone'd Oh, and here's me thinking that the experience of watching a good group of musicians playing in the same room as you is different from squinting at a little screen showing a recording of live musicians listening through earbuds with questionable sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Will Chen Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 I shell out money to play somtimes.I have been paid one dollar as a musician so far for live events and as a guest musician in studio sessions.One dollar.Since 1996.Bitches. Oh, that I am totally against... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Don't let anyone pack your head about this. The difference between a "Pro" and an "Amateur" isn't talent, experience, chops, or popularity. The one and only difference is money. Just like athletes Pro musicians get payed and amateurs don't. That's the difference between art and the business of art. Everything else is bull {censored}. If you're looking for appreciation try to remember that real appreciation comes in the form of green backs. Willie said it best. "If you want to dance you've got to pay the band". It's as simple as that. Very true. I played "professionally" for two years in a cover band. I wasn't really into the music, but seeing everyone have a great time at our shows and getting paid was great. I could work less hours at my retail job, and when I went out on a Friday or Saturday night, I drank and ate free (sometimes even on nights I wasn't playing because the bartenders knew and liked me). None of that stopped me from playing, writing, and following my muse in my free time, but if that's still selling out then I'm cool with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 ...the bartenders knew and liked me... This is the part where I knew you were making it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members caeman Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Bartenders hate me, because I only ever buy root beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 This is the part where I knew you were making it up. Definitely not making it up. Contrary to my hcfx persona, I can be quite charming and charismatic in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members big_cat Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Definitely not making it up. Contrary to my hcfx persona, I can be quite charming and charismatic in person. pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aristotle Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members big_cat Posted August 10, 2012 Members Share Posted August 10, 2012 you had me at chum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BHz_econo Posted August 11, 2012 Members Share Posted August 11, 2012 Posted on my local clist - http://bham.craigslist.org/muc/3163020168.html I am hosting an Mow My Lawn Showcase this Saturday. MMLS is intended for provide exposure for club owners, scam event organizers and others who like to offer opportunities to work for free.You are welcome to put up a sign to advertise YOUR club or EVENT - This is GREAT EXPOSURE for your club or event There will be musicians on hand to speak with afterwards and you can promote YOUR club or event for FREE HURRY SPACE IS LIMITED for the first ever monthly MOW MY LAWN SHOWCASE - Look for Paint My House Showcase later in the fall MUSICIANS DO NOT WORK FOR FREE EITHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spentron Posted August 12, 2012 Members Share Posted August 12, 2012 I'm sensing here that saying you won't play for free is like bragging you're good ....Some kinds of musician work IS like a job and you should get paid. A well-known working band may change members but the leaders choose which auditioners get the job and who gets to play for free with no audience a little longer ... OTOH reading this thread, I'm thinking for an originals band finding the right venue or 2 to get known could be worth anything.But regarding the ad in the OP, it's hard to believe it's much an opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pbone Posted August 12, 2012 Members Share Posted August 12, 2012 Bartenders hate me, because I only ever buy root beer. You get drink tickets for playing. It's not even worth copypastaing ten times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sparkfriction Posted August 12, 2012 Members Share Posted August 12, 2012 Show up with the theremin you got 2 days ago and two ring modulators. haha xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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