Members McHale Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Citizen Klaus Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 Many thanks. Very interesting setup they've got going, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 NP. And in case Korg (Hi Rich!!!) is reading this... ALL OF THOSE PICTURES ARE PHOTOSHOPPED!!! I would never void the warranty on someone's Kronos or other Korg keyboard. -Mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cresshead Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 why are you taking it apart?....interesting the 'engine' looks like a laptop motherboard not your average synth electronics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 why are you taking it apart?....interesting the 'engine' looks like a laptop motherboard not your average synth electronics. I'm swapping the keybed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Citizen Klaus Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 why are you taking it apart?....interesting the 'engine' looks like a laptop motherboard not your average synth electronics. Desktop motherboard, actually. You commonly see boards of that size used in small-form-factor PCs. Not much of a surprise, since Korg has publicly stated that the Kronos runs an Atom processor and uses off-the-shelf DDR2 DIMMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cresshead Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 Desktop motherboard, actually. You commonly see boards of that size used in small-form-factor PCs. Not much of a surprise, since Korg has publicly stated that the Kronos runs an Atom processor and uses off-the-shelf DDR2 DIMMs. so not much stopping Korg releasing a VST plugin other than being rather hesitant on some people pirating the software so reducing income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 so not much stopping Korg releasing a VST plugin other than being rather hesitant on some people pirating the software so reducing income. Except that it's running a completely different OS. BUT, they've already released a bunch of VST's including several not in the Kronos. Who knows what they'll release next? It's nice to see they constantly shake things up and release things that are unexpected. -Mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtrance Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 Is there an Nvidia 3D card option? B} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Citizen Klaus Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 Is there an Nvidia 3D card option? B} I realize that you're joking, but no. They'd have to reprogram the OS to accommodate outboard graphics, and the motherboard only sports a standard PCI expansion slot. PCI-based graphics cards aren't even worth getting out of bed for, these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 There *IS* a VGA port on the motherboard as well as USB, audio, spare SATA and NIC. Could be fun to explore the options with those as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted February 4, 2012 Members Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm swapping the keybed. did yours act up ? Or are you replacing it just because ? I can't duplicate any note cutoff on my 88. Let me know if there is a secret trick, other than whining on the Korg forum for 3 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 did yours act up ? Or are you replacing it just because ? I can't duplicate any note cutoff on my 88. Let me know if there is a secret trick, other than whining on the Korg forum for 3 months I can't say who's Kronos 88 it is because I'm not authorized to do the install. But, I CAN say that my Kronos never, ever, ever had the cutoff issue. My Kronos 88 has a serial number less than 110 so mine's definitely a first run and I never had any issues. I'm still not convinced it's {censored}ty playing style and the whining and "OH MY GOD KORG HAS TO FIX THIS OR I'LL DIE THEN I'LL SUE" crap was so bad I quit going to Korg Forums. According to some of the whiners on there, I don't know anything about the KRONOS *OR* the keybed... so I'll take my lack of knowledge elsewhere. -Mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Plink Floyd Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 Great Kronosnaps, McHale!Up to now, I've seen plenty of pics of the mobo & PS, but non of the rest of the electronics. I assume there's at least one more pcb that makes the noices. If it's still apart, and not too much trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 that's all of 'em... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 KRONOS 2Better FAN PatchesNEW KeyboardSlimline designTransparent case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 I hereby declare that the post above me is OK to cross post in the Hai Guyz thread! WIN WIN WIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members depulse Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 I sure get tired of this argument. There's more proprietary hardware in there than "just a $200 computer". That's the downside to using readily-available components; You risk someone looking at it and going, "pfffff, *I* coulda built that for less from Walmart". So far as I know, there's also some significant heavy-lifting being done in some custom chips and what-not. The Atom is basically just a traffic cop and UI manager. The Atom is the core of the Kronos, Korg has NOT stuffed the Kronos full of dedicated VSLI hardware for handling the effects, filters, etc. The Kronos is a keyboard case with an atom based computer inside and a soundcard. There is no extra Korg hardware magic, it's a bunch of VSTis running in a dedicated Linux shell. If you value the software to 2000 dollars (when you can get something like Komplete 8 for under 500) that's your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members depulse Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 While I have it apart, is there anything anybody wants a picture of? I don't plan on taking another Kronos apart for a while...-Mc ElectricPuppy wants a picture of all the extra hardware Korg has added like the "custom chips and what-not". He wants the proof that "The Atom is basically just a traffic cop and UI manager." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 The Atom is the core of the Kronos, Korg has NOT stuffed the Kronos full of dedicated VSLI hardware for handling the effects, filters, etc. The Kronos is a keyboard case with an atom based computer inside and a soundcard. There is no extra Korg hardware magic, it's a bunch of VSTis running in a dedicated Linux shell. If you value the software to 2000 dollars (when you can get something like Komplete 8 for under 500) that's your choice. It is not a PC in a plastic case. Korg is using an embedded systems design. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_system The cost of software and development is the big ticket here. It probably took +3 years to get it right. Significant people time, design, technical programming, testing, etc, etc. Plus it is flexible enough for future growth, more sound engines, etc. That is no accident, thats part of the design. The circuit board , processor, what you see, is the least expensive part of the project. They did not simply port the OASYS over in a cheaper case, either. This was discussed under the epic , 8 mile long Kronos thread early last year. BTW, I worked 3 years for an embedded systems company. This co was recently acquired by Intel who wanted to acquire that technology. It is also known as device software optimization, and the technology has been around since 2001, and has really taken off in 2004, with the explosion of mobile devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 It is not a PC in a plastic case. Of course not. I spoke to some Korg engineers (sorry, can't name any names) and they told me the Korg Kronos was precisely this: 35% - roughly 15 years of Korg engineering 25% - awesome 40% - love ...in a case. Please don't share this with anyone as I don't want to see anyone copy Korg's magic formula. -Mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 I think the Kronos is pretty awesome. Is it "worth" $3K? or $2K? or $4K? I dunno. I paid a bunch for my first poly synth, a Prophet 5, back in 1982. Compared to what I got for that price, the Kronos is quite a value! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 it's a bunch of VSTis running in a dedicated Linux shell. It's not VSTi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 The Atom is the core of the Kronos, Korg has NOT stuffed the Kronos full of dedicated VSLI hardware for handling the effects, filters, etc. The Kronos is a keyboard case with an atom based computer inside and a soundcard. There is no extra Korg hardware magic, it's a bunch of VSTis running in a dedicated Linux shell. If you value the software to 2000 dollars (when you can get something like Komplete 8 for under 500) that's your choice. Clearly you are an expert in real-time embedded systems. Since we're all obviously deluded about the Kronos, please enlighten us further, won't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BonsoWonderDog Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 Yayyyy an argument !! :popcorn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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