Members Fender Picker Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 yesterday was 9/11 Don't blame God for the things man does. It was not God's will for men to kill each other on 9/11. God wants us to love Him and love each other. Man has refused to do this. And I am as guilty of this as anyone. FP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rear Naked Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 I voted undecided because i haven't really thought about it to the degree that is needed As far as the Christian concept of God, i vote a big NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fender Picker Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 As far as the Christian concept of God, i vote a big NO Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Because humans would not have morals if this was just a free for all.Highly debatable. I never understand needing religion or spirituality as a moral compass. Either you know {censored}ing your neighbors wife or killing someone is bad, or you dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucketmaster Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Then please explain how to measure the following things EMPIRICALLY:lovehopeintegrityjusticepoetrydutyloyaltyscornhatedespairtEh br:freak::freak:talNESSZZZZ Oh ffs, you do realise your regurgitating the most oft repeated and oft debunked cliche arguments for your position? it's like saying "prove to me I love my wife". PUHLLEEEAAASE... love An emotional response consisting of chemical reactions. A product of natural selection that persuades us to breed and care for our offspring. That doesn't however, make it any less awesome. hope AN emotional response again consisting of chemical reactions. Clearly favoured by natural selection as it means we wont just curl up and die (increased the chance of passing on genes). integrity Subjective opinion of a person consisting of emotional responses based on the actions of said person. justice Subjective opinion of events based on the assumption that morality has an objective value. Reprehension of damaging individuals to social groups would clearly be favoured by natural selection as it improves the condition of the group as a whole by discouraging damaging behaviour, resulting in a better chance of passing on genes. poetry Art form and extension of linguistic expression. Used to create emotional response and convey meaning. Can be empirically observed BY READING A {censored}ING POETRY BOOK YOU MEATFLAP. duty, loyalty More emotional responses and behavioral states, see the others. scorn hate despair Negative emotional responses consisting of chemical reactions. Obvious advantage of aggressive behavior towards predators and can increase chances of survival. Can also be the result of the evolved characteristic rationality overriding more atavistic and primeval emotional responses to negate the biological imperative (particularly despair). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LnTh Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 There's no viable proof so I don't believe. I'm open to things but I pretty much gave up on the existance of God when I was old enough to think for myself. It's about the same time I gave up on Santa and the tooth fairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adamthemute Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 The "humans have a psychological need, and that 'explains' religion" thing just doesn't work. It's a convenient way to dismiss spiritual teachings, but that's all it is -- a cop out. IMVHO, of course. actually, it does. there is significant evidence to suggest that our brains are hard wired for religion.allow me to expand on this before you erupt. when analyzing (via PET) the brain activities of individuals deep in what they refer to as a "spiritual" state, we see that common areas of the brain are active...which suggests that the experience that we call spirituality evolved with us.so, armed with this information, i can safely say that god is in your head. i get those same (i think) experiences from time to time, but i get them looking at the stars, or surfing (which i haven't done in years). it's a feeling of calm and unity with your surroundings. additionally, it is quite conceivable to extract from this the idea that we are just explaining and experience that we don't understand by saying it's magic...or god, whichever you prefer.also, on a side note...one cannot justify the irrationalities of religion without assuming a need for it. everything that we do, we do because we feel need to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimbojamz Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Not familiar with the Big Bang theory? of course, who set it off? where did the matter come from? not familar with the laws of matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rear Naked Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Why? no reason to believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members antiochband Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Science.Science FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimbojamz Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 No they don't. Our understanding of the how and why is never complete, we're always learning more. It's okay to say "we don't know everything yet.". Why does not believing in god require a complete and finished explanation? We don't have to know how we got here, exactly, to be here. I'm proof. that wasnt the question.is there a god?there must be because matter doesnt just appear.has it to you?left alone everything runs to disorder. explain the order in the universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 everything that we do, we do because we feel need to do so.including being kind to one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 I'd say I'm an athiest, because I am, but what it boils down to is not so much that I'm all "GOD IS A LIE." I mean, he is, but here's my deal: I do not give a {censored}. Either God is actually all loving, and sees I didn't {censored} anything up too terribly, and I'm into heaven, because I'm not a bad guy. Or, God plays with a bunch of rules that say I had to do X and be X and say X to earn his favor. {censored} that god, I want no part of it. If god really all that is and will be, I don't figure it should depend on what I did on my sundays. If it did, then God isn't playing with a full deck, and doesn't really deserve praise. If I have to be in a special club or be damned, I'll be damned. Besides, someone who's omnipotent probably has better things to do than make arbitrary divisions of "heaven" and "hell" in terms of eternity. So I don't really give a {censored} if God's up there or not. If he is, we'll square when I get there. Until then, {censored} God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Satan is using the same tactics he used against Eve. Selfish pride. The first of God's laws is "You shall have no other gods before Me".FP it's always hilarious when people claim that yaweh is the only god they believe in...you actually believe you have a monotheistic religion? wrong. you have TWO gods...one "good" and one "evil". don't forget, your omnipotent god created lucifer knowing that he would fall from grace, knowing that he would tempt eve in the garden of eden, and knowing that she would be seduced. i scoff thusly.:poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Don't blame God for the things man does. It was not God's will for men to kill each other on 9/11. FP According to their God you would be incorrect. And THAT my friend, is why organized religion can suck the fat cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimbojamz Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 better to believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 better to believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. no it isn't because i'm right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rear Naked Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 that wasnt the question.is there a god?there must be because matter doesnt just appear.has it to you?left alone everything runs to disorder. explain the order in the universe? thats a presupposition right there my point? well...i dunno philosophy for teh winz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rear Naked Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 better to believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. thats a logical fallacy called appeal to fear only noobs use that crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 that wasnt the question. is there a god? there must be because matter doesnt just appear. has it to you? left alone everything runs to disorder. explain the order in the universe? I already addressed this in the statement you quoted. Why must I explain the order of the universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 is there a god?there must be because matter doesnt just appear. this statement makes no logical sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members antiochband Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 better to believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. logical fallacy, justification for living in fear.PHAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucketmaster Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 that wasnt the question.is there a god?there must be because matter doesnt just appear.has it to you?left alone everything runs to disorder. explain the order in the universe? Hey remember when people used to say "God must exist because biology has so much order. I mean the eye, it is so complex. How could that happen without a God?" Well, look where they are now. Darwin showed how perfectly natural phenomena could generate complexity over long periods of time. Applying the same logic to cosmology is foolhardy when considering past experience. If you say something needs a God because it is complex, you would need to say the same about God since he would be so incomprehensibly more complex. Then by your logic, he would need a creator too just by the simple fact that he is complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catphish Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 better to believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. Pascal's Wager? C'mon. How can you choose what to believe? Could you choose to believe in an invisible pink unicorn if you wanted to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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