Members diddlybo Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 I gig regularly with a 30 watt Rivera, with no mic on it mind you, and its plenty loud. I hardly ever turn the amp up past 3 or 4 on the master volume. Plenty loud, plenty of headroom. Depending on your speaker situation, the size of the crowd, and the venue, 30 watts can be insanely loud. I don't understand those saying it won't have headroom. You guys must be playing really big rooms with really big crowds.
Members guitarrorist Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 I play a 100w Mesa, but until recently, the other guitarist in my band played a 30w orange; miked or unmiked - that amp could hold it's own no problem. Headroom wasn't really an issue, either.
Members flump Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 This is the experience I have - I have an AC30 half stack and it is definitely plenty loud for a band setting. Same experience here. My old AC30 was ear piercingly loud.
Members Stazinish Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 It's plenty loud to bother your neighbors.
Members Sixtonoize Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 It all depends on your band mix and how your guitar tone fits into it. You can cut with 20 watts, or get buried with 150. Personally, I've never had *quite* enough volume out of 10 watts, but I've done just fine with anything more. There are FAR too many factors involved to make any kind of sweeping generalization about amp wattage, tube or otherwise. (But really 30 SS watts probably won't do it, due to power stage clipping)
Members Marshallmel Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 I own and have gigged with a Lonestar Special as well as an Egnater Rebel 20 and they are plenty loud with volume to spare. My drummer is a knuckle dragger and still I have no problems with volume.
Members ~Abstract~ Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 What do you mean "How loud"?Like with the volume at 5 or 8 or what?Cmon man...we can't answer your questions without a little helpful info.
Members "sasquatch" Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 mic itmic itmic it(then you can play with 5w if you want) true. have gigged with a 5 watter, 1x8 a few times. i actually mic'd it in the back, and adjusted the EQ out front. sounded killer.
Members Jerry_L Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 30 watts solid state is usually enough for rehearsals and smaller rooms. Barely adequate for outdoor gigs, though.
Members conaghy Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 its a little louder than 29 watts And a little quieter than 31 watts.
Members pioneerprogress Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 30 watts solid state is usually enough for rehearsals and smaller rooms. Barely adequate for outdoor gigs, though. Have you done this? I'd be interested to see this work, because my experience tells me no. Depends on the amp/speakers, as always, I'm sure.
Members Jerry_L Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 Have you done this? I'd be interested to see this work, because my experience tells me no. Depends on the amp/speakers, as always, I'm sure. I'm using a 30-watt Peavey Vypyr, but it's in a 3-piece band with a drummer who doesn't hit real hard. I've also used it with a larger group with a louder drummer in rehearsal and had enough volume to scream when necessary. I played in a bar/restaurant recently with the 3-piece band and the waitress asked me to turn down, and I was nowhere near max volume. However, we played a gig on the street and I had to crank it up near maximum to be heard over traffic. I'll probably bring my 30-watt Fender tube amp to the next outdoor gig. Effects pedals can make a difference, too, as some of them really suck power out of your signal chain.
Members pioneerprogress Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 Effects pedals can make a difference, too, as some of them really suck power out of your signal chain. Haha I have the exact opposite problem. Both my flanger and delay add volume for some reason, it kind of gets overpowering if I switch them both on at the same time.
Members BadRonald Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 My 30 Watt Marshall JTM45 is VERY LOUD. Never have a problem with headroom or with cutting in any band I jam with. Ha! Are you kidding me?
Members zehn Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 I played a Classic 30 until I realized it wasn't loud enough for the gigs I was playing, if that means anything
Members tlbonehead Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 30 watts solid state is usually enough for rehearsals and smaller rooms. Barely adequate for outdoor gigs, though.If its loud enough indoors it should be outdoors as well.
Members tlbonehead Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 I played a Classic 30 until I realized it wasn't loud enough for the gigs I was playing, if that means anythingCouldn't you stand closer to it, bring it closer to you? A C30 is pretty loud if you have it situated correctly.
Members tlbonehead Posted June 24, 2009 Members Posted June 24, 2009 Have you done this? I'd be interested to see this work, because my experience tells me no. Depends on the amp/speakers, as always, I'm sure.I've gigged a number of times with my Vox AD30VT thru a 2x12 cab and it was plenty loud. I have my AD60s set at 15 watts when I gig,.
Members The Real MC Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 Depends on the amp... tube amps tend to project better on less wattage. I just bought a 1960s Selmer 30w combo with original 2x12 celestion alnicos (same speaker as Vox blues) and that thing is PLENTY loud. I also have the Vox AD60VTH head with 2x12 cab loaded with celestion blues and the power switch never goes above 30w.
Members Loud'n'A-noise Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 My Budda SD30II 1x12 is easily as loud as the VHT 50st I traded it for.
Members bruce_egnater Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 A player's idea of "loud enough" will vary wildly from one person to the next. I recall a million years ago I had a Fender Deluxe Reverb. I "hot rodded" the second channel for higher gain and left the clean channel and power amp (20 watts) alone. Even had an EV speaker in it. It was great at reheasals and for small jobs. The first time I took it out into a big hall ( a wedding!), it completely disappeared. It was so underpowered, I could not even come close to getting it loud and clean. We didn't mic things back then so there was nothing I could do about it. That was my "enlightening" moment. Many say that 10-30 watts is plenty loud. Again, depends on your specific needs and how lound and clean you really need to be. Below is a paper that may explain some of the specifics about power. TECH NOTE #101 WATTS vs VOLUME and other stuff
Members Sixtonoize Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 ^^^ Serious truth, from the master.
Members mayorstoner1 Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 " Yes, 'Scud133' hit the nail on the head. Mic it. How many watts is your singer's voice ? ? Dumb question right ? He's got a mic. If he's not loud enough, you turn his mic up. He doesn't sing louder outside, or softer inside. It's his voice. Do you know any singer's voice, that's as loud as a 30 watt amp ? ? Your guitar rig is your voice. Put together the rig that gives you 'your voice' and mic it. Mic it and run it direct. Put it in an isolation box .. whatever you have to do, to find out what works, for your voice. Turning up an amp changes your sound/voice. Turning an amp down, changes your sound/voice. Screw that. Find the settings that are your voice. Then let the mic/PA dictate the volume of your voice for the venue. End of sermon. My 2 cents worth. " MS1
Members guitarcapo Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 All I know is that I played this one bar with about 100 people there (maybe 1500 square feet?) and had a Fender Deluxe Reverb which is about 23 watts or so. The guy running the PA kept running over and turning down my amp like a little girl. No mic. Drummer and another guitar and bass with a singer into the PA. I think I had to leave it on "4" the whole night and use pedals for overdrive. Maybe the owner or bartender was bitching to him about the volume. S yea 30 watts is loud enough to gig with. Mic it to the PA if you need more headroom.
Members scud133 Posted June 25, 2009 Members Posted June 25, 2009 i think you should always mic it anyway and let the sound guy control the level from the board
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