Members cuban_b Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 i have a jcm 800 2203. it sounds great BUT: - it only sounds AMAZING when i push the power section - i can't crank it up without having the cops bang on my door - i can't run any sort of low watt speaker unless i have 2 4x12s (i.e. greenbacks, or h30s) i love the 800 tone but i considering trading for a sweet lower wattage amp (nothing more that 50 watts). advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nuclear arsenal Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 sound proofing? i don't know what a power attenuator is, but that might also work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NaturalBornBoy Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Any 100 watt 800 will need either; a) a stadium or b) a power attenuator Damn even the 50 watters are loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members K-Bizzle Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 i have a jcm 800 2203. it sounds great BUT:- it only sounds AMAZING when i push the power section- i can't crank it up without having the cops bang on my door- i can't run any sort of low watt speaker unless i have 2 4x12s (i.e. greenbacks, or h30s)i love the 800 tone but i considering trading for a sweet lower wattage amp (nothing more that 50 watts).advice? Um why can't you run a single 412 loaded with greenbacks?I assure its been done before a time or two. :poke: Would get an attenuator or a different amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brick Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 my 2204 never makes it past two, rarely if there's a very hard hitting drummer and a very loud second guitarist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chad_sux Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 i have a jcm 800 2203. it sounds great BUT:- it only sounds AMAZING when i push the power section- i can't crank it up without having the cops bang on my door- i can't run any sort of low watt speaker unless i have 2 4x12s (i.e. greenbacks, or h30s)i love the 800 tone but i considering trading for a sweet lower wattage amp (nothing more that 50 watts).advice? The 50 watter isn't going to be much quieter. What time are you playing your amp at stadium volumes? Hell, even 20 watts of tube power is going to be {censored}ing loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the_bleeding Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 you just discovered what a mid gain, 70's style preamp can do. There are plenty of 100 watt amps out there that don't need to be blasting to sound good. Plus, its your speakers that really decide how loud the amp will be. Throw in greenies, you'll find it to be quite a bit quieter. And no, you dont need 8 greenies. You could get by with 1 or 2. Because by the way you're talking here, you'll never push the poweramp past 20 watts anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cuban_b Posted August 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Um why can't you run a single 412 loaded with greenbacks?I assure its been done before a time or two. :poke:Would get an attenuator or a different amp. don't attenuators suck tone though? i'm thinking about just saying f*ck it and finding a lower watt amp. what produces marshall-esque tones at lower wattage? i'm shooting for a head with 2x12s under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 how about some yellowjackets and some less efficient speakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members K-Bizzle Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 don't attenuators suck tone though? i'm thinking about just saying f*ck it and finding a lower watt amp. what produces marshall-esque tones at lower wattage? i'm shooting for a head with 2x12s under it. Playing by yourself or with others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm on my way so you can load it in my car and gtfo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cuban_b Posted August 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Playing by yourself or with others? with a full band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members K-Bizzle Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 with a full band. What is your cab? What is the other guitarist playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cuban_b Posted August 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 you just discovered what a mid gain, 70's style preamp can do.There are plenty of 100 watt amps out there that don't need to be blasting to sound good. Plus, its your speakers that really decide how loud the amp will be. Throw in greenies, you'll find it to be quite a bit quieter. And no, you dont need 8 greenies. You could get by with 1 or 2. Because by the way you're talking here, you'll never push the poweramp past 20 watts anyway. when i play in a full band setting i run about anywhere between 4-6. Would i blow a cab of greenbacks doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hell, even 5 watt amps are loud as {censored}. I was playing my Blackstar this weekend with the volume half way up. I recorded a riff on my loop pedal and then went outside to see how loud it was. It was pretty loud up until about two houses down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 when i play in a full band setting i run about anywhere between 4-6. Would i blow a cab of greenbacks doing that? Greenbacks are 25 watt speakers, so 4 of em will handle your 800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chakosh Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 don't attenuators suck tone though? i'm thinking about just saying f*ck it and finding a lower watt amp. what produces marshall-esque tones at lower wattage? i'm shooting for a head with 2x12s under it. Attenuators will alter tone, not quite suck it per se. The THD Hot Plate has a boost for treble and bass built in on switches to compensate. Before getting rid of the amp, get yourself a Hot Plate and run it through at a reasonable volume. It'll still be nasty loud (unless you drop the attenuation all the way down and use it like a master volume), but you don't have to run the amp thru a full stack. FTR, I've got a 100W '74 JMP that I got off of Norton666 and a 4x12 of Greenies. Sounds just fine to me, but I'm still wrestling with getting a good clean-ish sound out of it. My 50W JMP + Greenies = teh secks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brick Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 idk how you get yours in between 4 and 6! That's bone jarring loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nuclear arsenal Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 a 10 watt amp will be half as loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cuban_b Posted August 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 i'm thinking about parting ways with my 800 to get maybe a rockerverb 50. it's less power and still retains that british roar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chakosh Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 I guarantee you will regret that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 yeah, i'm no vintage marshall fan, but that rocker 30 doesn't hold a candle to a JCM800. remember, vox is british too :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pink freud Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Just do the yellowjackets idea. Or buy a Weber Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Agreed Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 I couldn't enjoy much of the 15W of my Univalve if it weren't for its built in attenuator. Guitar amps are {censored}in' loud, just how it is. Speakers are measured for efficiency at db@1W, and V30s are around 103-104dB@1W. That is damned mega loud. M-m-m-monster loud. Someone mentioned "Even the 50W are loud!" Not really unexpected since twice the power is only ~3dB louder... so 50W is ~3dB louder than 25W, which is ~3dB louder than 12.5W, etc. It's all so damned loud, man. I play my 5W Fender Champ 600 RI and I still can't crank it. Woe is me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 I had the same problem with a 100 watt JVM. Just too loud in the sweet spot. Swapped it for a 50 watt which is perfect. I know in theory there's not a whole lot if difference, but with the JVMs it was noticeable and just enough to let the 50 watt cook without deafening everybody in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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