Members MuyLoCo444 Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 So I got the new 6505 112 yesterday, finally, and am curious about the effects loop. I guess there is no harm in trying it out, but I have always used my pedals in the front of the amp instead of the loop. I am curious to see how my EQ pedal will fare out in the effect loop. So do you use it and if so what type of pedals do you use in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Holy War Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 yes. Time and EQ pedals are always in the loop for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I'm happy with most pedals up front, although I run delay and tremolo in the loop. I run a volume pedal in the loop to control the overall level coming out of the amp. To me, that's indispensable when playing live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HKSblade1 Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NaturalBornBoy Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Definitely. Time based effects always go in the loop for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andyhumb Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 you really should run the delay (time based effect) in the loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 If I am using an amp that has an FX Loop, I will run my delay through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grunge782 Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Oh yeah dude, of course. If you aren't you are losing something. EQ can go either way. Some people like it before, I like it in the loop. Delays are a must through the FX. I use chorus and some other stuff through it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brebis Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I have level buttons for the Send and Return on my amp and I wondered how it should be adjusted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 The EQ will have a way bigger impact in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thenakedarab Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 The EQ will have a way bigger impact in the loop. This. Me, I like delays/reverbs (maybe not if I had a tape delay, but I don't) in the loop. I like to run modulation fx (many of which are essentially delay based) in the loop too. I prefer to have the gain/filter fx in front, excepting graphic eq and some parametric eq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members roland Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Rocktron Replifex in the effects loop, use a midi footswitcher to change presets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keebz Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 No. I usually put the delay in front my amp. Other than delay...I don't use any other pedals except for a tuner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaytee123 Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Of course. I would rather chorus or delay a distorted signal than distort a chorused or delayed signal. Run distortion, wah, and compressor in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suparsonic Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 VVVVV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suparsonic Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 The loop makes time based FX sound more natural with less tone degeneration, chorus is quiter in the loop on overdriven sounds. A volume pedal also works well in the loop. I like Wah in the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 not here for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the_bleeding Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 eq pedal in the loop of my marshall. yus yus. Gets rid of the 20khz fizz, and lets me add some low mids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeremymiller Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I'm no novice to playing or gear...but I have never really heard a good explanation as to why it makes a big difference to run anything through the loop. I really don't play with a lot of effects. I use the amp overdrive, a tuner, DD-6 and a Holier Grail (sometimes). Should I run the two effects through the loop? Will I notice a big difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DoubleBarrel Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yep. I use my delay and eq for lead boosts only, in the loop. Of course the eq in the loop only works as a boost if your amp has a series fx loop. There is little to no volume effect on a Mesa or similar amp with a parallel loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grumphh Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I have never really heard a good explanation as to why it makes a big difference to run anything through the loop. If you are not trolling, here are two good reasons for not running delay in front of your amp if you use high gain on the amp: 1. An amp that distorts compresses. So your delay that ideally should trail gradually off into the distance will be compressed to be much louder than intended and keep its volume. Imo that makes for a mushy sound.You could compensate for that by turning down the delay output, but that leads us to problem No. 2...2. If you use your amps distortion your delays will gradually clean up, as the delay signal gets weaker. Or if you already have a low delay output (as outlined above) your delay signal will be significantly less distorted than your main guitar tone. Of course there is no wrong or right way to use effects, as long as you like your tone that is all that matters - but these are the reasons i would run delays through a loop if i used the amps distortion.Basically i like to have a delay that repeats the already distorted signal and lets that signal fade out in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dewysoss Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I really don't play with a lot of effects. I use the amp overdrive, a tuner, DD-6 and a Holier Grail (sometimes).Should I run the two effects through the loop? Will I notice a big difference? yes and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 Nope. Don't need to. I hardly ever use delay, and never any modulation effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sam adams Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I use all my pitch shifters/octave stuff before the amp. As well as my phaser. I use my volume before the amp too because it helps control gain and dynamics just like the volume pot on my guitar. I currently run my delays before the amp and I've always been happy with this. Partially because I switch amps up a lot and don't always have an FX loop. So basically everything before the amp for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members i386 Posted November 22, 2009 Members Share Posted November 22, 2009 I've read that time based effects are best after the speaker (at the mixer or added to a dry recording). Putting them in the FX loop is a pretty good compromise. I don't really have access to that type of equipment. Don't limit yourself to just one EQ. Nothing wrong with having several. Nothing wrong with having none. There is no best place to put an EQ that works for any rig. They are inserted in the signal chain wherever they are needed. Simple rig example. Guitar -> Overdrive Pedal ->Amp EQ right after the guitar Pickups are marketed by their EQ shape and output level (Dimarzio does this for example). Plugging the guitar into the EQ and making SUBTLE adjustments can have similar effects as using different pickups. This sets the shape and level of the signal fed to the overdrive pedal. EQ right after the overdrive/distortion pedal. Again, the EQ shape and level can be adjusted before it's fed to the input stage of your amp. Once the signal has gone through the preamp it's typical to see a tone stack there which is an EQ. The tone stack may be all the EQ you need making EQ in the loop redundant. So... Guitar -> EQ -> Overdrive/Distortion -> EQ -> Preamp Section -> EQ -> Power Amp Section Anything in the signal path that has tone controls is a form of EQ. Your ears always give the final verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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