Members Slaymoar Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 I am used to using a 2x12 at floor level, on its casters. The sound shoots at the legs and you end up using more treble, and it translates to {censored}tier sound on the PA. Today I just put my 2x12 on top of a bench so the center of the speakers are at belly button level, and the tone is {censored}ing fantastic. I lowered the treble which improved the sound. The spread is so much better and I can hear myself with a much warmer tone all over the room. Its like there is a better presence of low end, and the mids come through better. I ended up turning the master volume down a good notch and can still hear myself quite well. I tried raising it another foot so the speaker centers were at chest-neck level, but it felt like it was shooting right in my ears, and frankly the spread didn't really benefit from it, it only got harder on the ears. What a difference. I think I will make myself a portable 2x12 support like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 yeah, if you are playing a 1x12 or 2x12, putting it on a stand makes a world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maggotspawn Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 yeah, if you are playing a 1x12 or 2x12, putting it on a stand makes a world of difference. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleewell Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 milk crates work wonders too. 2x12s on the ground are the fail. if you raise them up they are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seajay Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 Hell, this helps with 4x12s too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slaymoar Posted September 19, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 Hell, this helps with 4x12s too. I'm thinking I would prefer two raised 2x12's over a raised 4x12... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 actually, I doubt that I've ever used a 2x12 or a 4x12 onstage without having it off the floor at least 2' or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 Tried recently and prefer having the cabs off the floor or whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diocide Posted September 19, 2011 Members Share Posted September 19, 2011 I use my Mesa 2x12 sideways if I need to hear it a little better, sort of like the vertical 2x12. Definitely makes it seem louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I use my Mesa 2x12 sideways if I need to hear it a little better, sort of like the vertical 2x12. Definitely makes it seem louder. I think it has something to do with vibrations not volume... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diocide Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I think it has something to do with vibrations not volume... I think it has to do with the fact that the speakers are now closer to my ears and or pointing more in the general direction of said ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I think it has to do with the fact that the speakers are now closer to my ears and or pointing more in the general direction of said ears. Then why's it still not sound right if I crouch down in front of my cab vs raising it off the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diocide Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Then why's it still not sound right if I crouch down in front of my cab vs raising it off the ground? I dunno. The v30's in my Mesa cab are extremely directional. They sound way different depending on where you're standing. I'd imagine that taking your cab completely off the ground removes some of the perceived low end you get from whatever floor it's on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I dunno. The v30's in my Mesa cab are extremely directional. They sound way different depending on where you're standing. I'd imagine that taking your cab completely off the ground removes some of the perceived low end you get from whatever floor it's on. Probably because of the port along the bottom of the back baffle of my Randall cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CME Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 That is why vert slant 2x12's are so awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diocide Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Probably because of the port along the bottom of the back baffle of my Randall cab. I guess. I'm not too versed with cabs, and can't really comment on the port thing, becuse all my cabs (past and present) have all been fully sealed designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SexWithRobots Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Klops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madryan Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I used to set my 212 on top of the sheetrock bench in this pic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thebrokenvow Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 WHen I was gigging with 2x12 combos I'd always throw them on top of the roadcase lid. Was great and full of cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mesa/Kramer Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Cab looses all it's bottom end, once it leaves the ground. Mic'd up no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadKeithV Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 That is why vert slant 2x12's are so awesome. http://users.telenet.be/madkeithv/Photos/marshall.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonPhillips Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 I use one of these... ...so it's a little hard to raise it up off the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cirrus Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Cab looses all it's bottom end, once it leaves the ground.Mic'd up no difference Cab looses all its FAKE boundary effect induced bottom end once it's off the ground, and you're just left with the actual bottom end the speakers are creating. I tend to have my 2x12 combo on a coffee table in practice that lifts it up maybe 50cm. At gigs I'll stick it on whatever to decouple it from the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seano Porno Posted September 20, 2011 Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Gotta say...handsome as my Orange PPC112/JCA20H rig is...it takes a bit of getting used to, especially when it's raised up off the ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slaymoar Posted September 20, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 20, 2011 Cab looses all it's bottom end, once it leaves the ground. Didn't for me... in fact, the boundary effect of a cab on the ground happens at about 150-250Hz, which is not really low end. You'll get a better low end by placing your raised cab about 4-5ft from a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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