Members Cougar Hunter Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 All of it? Is there any benefit to dampening materials in a guitar cab? Only if it needs dampening. If you think it sounds "dark/dead", take out the dampening material. Also, Try it in another room. I don't know how much you gig, but my old basement/practice/jam room was just plain bright as {censored}. You might have curtains/couches/carpet/etc that absorbs all of the highs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zozobra Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Depends on the material. Take it out and if sounds better leave it out. If not put it back in The foam can be used for a few purposes depending on density and shape. Sometimes its used to effectively increase the internal volume which gives the cab a lower tuning or it can be used to break up the reflections from the baffle back to the speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cliff Fiscal Posted January 5, 2012 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thanks.....I'm not sure why it hadn't crossed my mind until today that the dampening might be the problem. Will try tonight and report back.....now that I've got you all on the edge of your seats. :sigh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cougar Hunter Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 all of this speaker/cab talk makes me want to go home and rock out. I hate the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rufus Leaking Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Maybe it's phase issue. Have you tried Klops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'd say half if not more depending on the amp.My HK, or V3's sounded like crap with the stock cabs/speakers, but sound great on my beat to hell 30 year old Marshall cab GB's. Even my old 2203 Marshall head sounded like crap on the HK 412 for the Switchblade. The Carvin cab for the V3 sounded like poo too. Got rid of them both and just kept the trusty Marshall cab. IDK, maybe I'm just used to that older cab's sound. This. The cab can and will make or break the tone. If I had to choose between a better cab and an average amp or a better amp/average cab, I'd take the better cab every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yourguitarhero Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 My Blackstar HT-5 combo was {censored}ing awful.I tried it through a 1x12" with a V30 and a 4x12" with greenbacks and it sounded great. I tried swapping the speaker out to a nice Eminence and a G10 greenback. Still sounded {censored}. I guess the cabinet itself was too small and made of crappy wood. My Dual Recto sounds OK with a Marshall 1960, but great with its own Mesa cab.Annoying, cos very unlikely to get a Mesa house cab.In fact, most likely to get an MG 4x12" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wrongnote85 Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 {censored} cabs and speakers both. just throw an sm57 in between some quality headphones and you're good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 67mike Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 It would probably sound good in a concrete basement....but then again mobile homes don't have basements. Crazy poor people. (if the guy I bought it from still posts here....I'm just joking around. ) All of it? Is there any benefit to dampening materials in a guitar cab? Ya...makes an overly bright or resonant cab darker or less resonant.Take it out...try it...you can always put some or all back in if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 100 watt Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 a cab has plenty of effect on tone. Along with the speakers, the quality of wiring, how its wired (series, paralell, series/paralell. Paralell / series) , if it has casters or not ( casters suck out resonance) , the bracing inside, the baffle that the speakers mount to (split baffle cabs like an angled 4x12 are less resonant than a solid baffle like a straight cab) , and sometimes the grille cloth can make a difference (a dense weave cloth can darken tone..think the heavy weave Cane cloth on Orange cabs, or real bluesbreaker cloth on old school Marshall cabs) the wood the cab's made of..the rear panel.. all kinds of {censored} All depends on how much of a tone snob you are. some people can hear it..some cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 67mike Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 My Blackstar HT-5 combo was {censored}ing awful.I tried it through a 1x12" with a V30 and a 4x12" with greenbacks and it sounded great.I tried swapping the speaker out to a nice Eminence and a G10 greenback. Still sounded {censored}.I guess the cabinet itself was too small and made of crappy wood.My Dual Recto sounds OK with a Marshall 1960, but great with its own Mesa cab.Annoying, cos very unlikely to get a Mesa house cab.In fact, most likely to get an MG 4x12" Try the Blackstar HT-5 thru a epiphone valve jt 1x12 cab.........AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaoloJM Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 To my ears two different cabs can have a bigger effect on tone that two different amps dialled to sound similar. My JCM800 sounds completely different when changing from a 1960A and a 1960AV.The 1960A never feels right to me. I always end up boosting it to get a classic rock tone and it's still not quite right.The 1960AV just sounds right even without a boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oops-A-Paisley Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Massive. Get a good cab. Lifes to short. From experience Id say the cab makes a lot of difference. Spent ages changing speakers in a newer JCM900 series Marshall 1960a; should have just gone out and got a good cab. Replaced with an old JCM800 (which I loaded with V30s & H30s and decided the 65s in it were the best) and then checkerboard cab (blackbacks) which is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 100 watt Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Went from a run of the mill 1960B Marshall cab, to a MF280B. Same speakers... BIG difference. The MF cab has a plywood back panel, and is 3" taller than a 1960B. Sounded bigger, ballsier & more "opened up" . taller cabs, FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PaoloJM Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Went from a run of the mill 1960B Marshall cab, to a MF280B. Same speakers... BIG difference. The MF cab has a plywood back panel, and is 3" taller than a 1960B. Sounded bigger, ballsier & more "opened up" .taller cabs, FTW. +1. Just today I transferred my V30 from a vintage sized 2X12 made with 12" pine into my new oversized (360mm deep, MESA 2X12 sized) 2X12 built with 15" birch.Even at bedroom volume it's a whole lot bigger sounding, and I had to roll back the bass and resonance to get a balanced tone.I haven't tried it with my band yet but I'd imagine it will blow the other cab away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yanktar Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 If you think cabinet design doesn't matter then you claim more knowledge than Henry Kloss, designer of the AR-3A, Advent, KLH and Tivoli, not to mention the designers for Boston Acoustics, Definitive, and about 8000 other brands of high-end speakers. The sound is produced by the driver moving back and forth. Half that energy goes forward, half backwards. The cabinet design reflects that backwards sound forwards again....think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stonedtone Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 I have an Avatar w/V30 and G12, a Lupo with 2 Weber 10's and a prototype Celest 1x12. Using my Univalve, I get such a different tone for each cab. Right now I'm running the 2x12 and 2X10 together and it's huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 100 watt Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 +1.Just today I transferred my V30 from a vintage sized 2X12 made with 12" pine into my new oversized (360mm deep, MESA 2X12 sized) 2X12 built with 15" birch.Even at bedroom volume it's a whole lot bigger sounding, and I had to roll back the bass and resonance to get a balanced tone.I haven't tried it with my band yet but I'd imagine it will blow the other cab away. Yeah. Aside the extra "oomph" , the taller cabs are the way to go. Other than my MF cab, I like my Sourmash tall bottom (it's like a 1960TV, but in straight configuration) better than any standard sized 4x12. And they look mean too lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dolf Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 cab/speakers have an enormous effect on the sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willy22 Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Never had a problem with my Avatar 2x12. It sounds really good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members colejustesen Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 Rip that dampening material out and report back to us! That stuff probably makes it sound dead! Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 cab has a HUGE effect on overall tone ...that being said, avatars typically sound pretty decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 I agree speakers are huge in tone difference, but cab size, front or rear loaded, etc., also can make a very noticeable difference IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gary666 Posted January 5, 2012 Members Share Posted January 5, 2012 NOS particle board sounds massive. tone for days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DrakkarTyrannis Posted January 6, 2012 Members Share Posted January 6, 2012 Marshall MF280 cabs are {censored}in BAWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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