Members tedmich Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 some guys think Bigsbys are just fine too, but if you really work the strings and/or actually use a vibrato tailpiece (especially without a locking nut) locking tuners are essential. Truism: there's no advantage to NOT using locking tuners, except perhaps having a cool intricate string winding ritual you can impress chicks with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grunge782 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Where do you get them for $40-50 a set? http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Waves-Auto-Trim-Machines-In-Line/dp/B0002E2N9K/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1348470542&sr=8-16&keywords=grover+locking+tunershttp://www.amazon.com/Planet-Waves-Auto-Trim-Machines-In-Line/dp/B0002E2N90/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1348470664&sr=8-21&keywords=grover+locking+tunershttp://www.amazon.com/Grover-106C-Rotomatic-Locking-Machine/dp/B0007Y2CYG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1348470542&sr=8-3&keywords=grover+locking+tunershttp://www.amazon.com/Grover-406C6-Rotomatic-Locking-Machine/dp/B002B333LW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1348470542&sr=8-5&keywords=grover+locking+tuners lots of other deals out there too.... I've never paid more than $50 for a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grunge782 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Im still looking for an answer to my question. "New strings will still need to be stretched. Stretch the strings by doing 1 step bends and retune, repeating until stretching no longer leaves the strings flat. Because the locking tuner setup has no wraps, this stretching/tuning process will be quicker than with standard tuners." http://www.glowingtubes.com/p/Sperzel_Operation_&_Tips.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scratchie Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 The locking vs. non-locking tuners thing is like the maple vs. rosewood vs. ebony fingerboard thing as far as I'm concerned. I just don't give a {censored}. As long as they are smooth and don't bind I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HKSblade1 Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 I can't recall if it was Sperzel or another brand, but it didn't seem to like heavier gauge strings. I recall someone saying they had to drill the hole bigger for the low E if anything over 52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NinjaRaf Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 I wont own another guitar without locking tuners. More specifically without the planet waves trim lock tuners. Those things are ridiculously awesome. I need to switch the sperzels off of my ninja and get some PW tuners. The fact that they lock AND clip your excess string while tuning is amazing to me. Seriously, most convenient tuners ever. Same deal with strap locks...Ill never own a guitar without them. For 15 bucks, they make life way easier. And clip on tuners....those things are so much better than pedal tuners, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Five Guitars Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 If the Sperzel wheels hurt your fingers, what do the strings do to them? I think you need to more play time. Or you could sleep with you finger tips resting on a finishing sander. Be sure to use a 60 grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SexWithRobots Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 "New strings will still need to be stretched. Stretch the strings by doing 1 step bends and retune, repeating until stretching no longer leaves the strings flat. Because the locking tuner setup has no wraps, this stretching/tuning process will be quicker than with standard tuners."http://www.glowingtubes.com/p/Sperzel_Operation_&_Tips.htm What a bunch of bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crunchtime Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Gear snobs will look down their superior noses at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paul88lx Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 How in the {censored} has this thread gone to 5 pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DET1973 Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Can someone offer a comparison of the Grover Style Locking tuners and the Sperzel style for a LP guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RiffDaemon Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 If the Sperzel wheels hurt your fingers, what do the strings do to them? I think you need to more play time. The wheel touches my fingers in different places than the strings do. (But yeah, I have no problems with the wheel hurting my fingers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 what does the tailpiece have to do with it? I always pull the string till it seats in the stoptail - pull it through the tuner, leaving enough slack, then put tension on the string by holding it in one hand - pushing down on the string behind the nut - and tightening with the other. See how it's slotted at the top? You have to be super careful when putting tension on the string or they'll just pop right out. Maybe you do it differently than me but locking tuners would be advantageous for me regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NinjaRaf Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Can someone offer a comparison of the Grover Style Locking tuners and the Sperzel style for a LP guitar? Not sure about the grovers, but the 12:1 gear ratio on sperzels will never let me buy them again. 18:1 on the planet waves tuners is WAY better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mamberg Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 See how it's slotted at the top? You have to be super careful when putting tension on the string or they'll just pop right out. Maybe you do it differently than me but locking tuners would be advantageous for me regardless. Gotcha - I can see how that would be a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DET1973 Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Not sure about the grovers, but the 12:1 gear ratio on sperzels will never let me buy them again. 18:1 on the planet waves tuners is WAY better. I think the grovers are 18:1 also but i've also heard they are 14:1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cougar Hunter Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 I can't speak for Schaller locking or planet waves locking, but I HATE Sperzel Locking tuners. tooooo high gear ratio makes the tuning go up and down too fast. I like to fiiinnneee tune my guitar. I know I'm the only person on Earth who doesn't like locking tuners. I just don't like messing with them. If you buy used Sperzels, there's a good chance the last guy unscrewed it too far, lost the retention post, then stripped the threads.(welcome to used sperzels.) Gotoh standard for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RiffDaemon Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Not sure about the grovers, but the 12:1 gear ratio on sperzels will never let me buy them again. 18:1 on the planet waves tuners is WAY better. Both Grover types are 18:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DET1973 Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Both Grover types are 18:1. awesome thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoulIncision Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Sorry to rain on everybody's parade; but I have a legitimate gripe about locking tuners. I have a guitar (Buckethead LP) with locking tuners (not sure what brand of tuners) and I have a really tough time getting a string larger than .056 gauge through the peg. Even with the clamp all the way open, there is a little post in the peg that only allows so wide a string to go through it. Now, you can strip the string and clamp it that way, but it's kind of awkward and a pain to do. Otherwise, I love locking tuners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grunge782 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 How in the {censored} has this thread gone to 5 pages? Locking tuners are serious business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miter Gauge Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 nah when something costs so little and makes such a big difference, it becomes essential to me. I have them on my electrics and I like them but I do just fine with regular tuners on my acoustics and basses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 I have them on my electrics and I like them but I do just fine with regular tuners on my acoustics and basses. yeah me too. but mostly because I rarely restring my acoustic and my bass. I think it's been over an year now since I restrung them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RiffDaemon Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 awesome thank you. D'oh! Didn't see your post - I had my response to Raf typed up and I had to leave the office for something before posting it. According to Grover's site, all the locking tuners are 18:1. The 14:1 tuners are the Original Rotomatics, the Super Rotomatics, and the Mini-Rotomatics, along with most of their vintage offerings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NinjaRaf Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 D'oh! Didn't see your post - I had my response to Raf typed up and I had to leave the office for something before posting it. According to Grover's site, all the locking tuners are 18:1. The 14:1 tuners are the Original Rotomatics, the Super Rotomatics, and the Mini-Rotomatics, along with most of their vintage offerings. Oh yeah, I was just speaking about sperzels. I hate the 12:1 gear ratio. Ill be getting some PW trim locks for the ninja as soon as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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