Members Miter Gauge Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Thats like saying people did fine without computers. Embrace technology, its good to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyfirst Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 LOL! It isn't close to being the same thing my bruva.Bass players, acoustic players and just about every Gibson player uses regular tuners. Locking tuners do what? They tune a guitar. Non-locking tuners do what? Yep, you guessed it, they too tune a guitar, they only difference is two or three wraps around the tuning peg.Now, according to your post, locking tuners are pretty much a necessity for a gigging musician and I still say no they aren't, not by a long shot. Even on Gibson style guitars they increase tuning stability, eliminate another potential break point and make restringing a much quicker process. I'm a 100+gigs a year professional guitarist, i can only give you my side of the story and i find them pretty much essential, i also tech for some pretty high profile bands over here in the UK and i insist on all live guitars having locking tuners. For me its an evolutionary improvement that has no obvious drawbacks. People survived before tuners, but now every guitarist seems to rock the stage with a pedal tuner of some sort, thats another evolutionary change for the better. I'm sure that in the next 20 years or so, the self tuning guitars and amp modelling will become essential live tools too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carvinlegacy99 Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 The fact that they are unnecessary. Do you really want to lock and unlock the tuner every time you make a slight tuning adjustment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm with Timmy on this. It's a $40-50 purchase that makes life A LOT easier. There is no reason not to use locking tuners other than being a traditionalist. Even if with the tuning stability issue aside (honestly, most tuning stability issues happen because of the nut, not the tuner), the ease to change strings alone is worth the very low price of admission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyfirst Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 The fact that they are unnecessary. Do you really want to lock and unlock the tuner every time you make a slight tuning adjustment? Thats not how they work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 The fact that they are unnecessary. Do you really want to lock and unlock the tuner every time you make a slight tuning adjustment? that's not how they work, you just lock/unlock them to change strings, not to adjust the tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members madrigal77 Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 The fact that they are unnecessary. Do you really want to lock and unlock the tuner every time you make a slight tuning adjustment? WAT?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carvinlegacy99 Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 oh, well now I feel like a ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miter Gauge Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Even on Gibson style guitars they increase tuning stability, eliminate another potential break point and make restringing a much quicker process. I'm a 100+gigs a year professional guitarist, i can only give you my side of the story and i find them pretty much essential, i also tech for some pretty high profile bands over here in the UK and i insist on all live guitars having locking tuners. For me its an evolutionary improvement that has no obvious drawbacks. People survived before tuners, but now every guitarist seems to rock the stage with a pedal tuner of some sort, thats another evolutionary change for the better. I'm sure that in the next 20 years or so, the self tuning guitars and amp modelling will become essential live tools too. I can't argue with your personal experience only you know what that is like. However, as far as tuning aids you are comparing a pedal tuner to not having any tuner. You should be comparing a pedal tuner to some other tuner that works just as well but maybe not quite as convenient. That would be an accurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyfirst Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 I can't argue with your personal experience only you know what that is like.However, as far as tuning aids you are comparing a pedal tuner to not having any tuner. You should be comparing a pedal tuner to some other tuner that works just as well but maybe not quite as convenient. That would be an accurate comparison. Tuner vs Tuning Fork. There ya go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miter Gauge Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm with Timmy on this. It's a $40-50 purchase that makes life A LOT easier. There is no reason not to use locking tuners other than being a traditionalist. Even if with the tuning stability issue aside (honestly, most tuning stability issues happen because of the nut, not the tuner), the ease to change strings alone is worth the very low price of admission. easy =/= essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miter Gauge Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Tuner vs Tuning Fork. There ya go! how about a rack tuner vs a pedal tuner. The are both automatic, both can be chromatic one requires you to turn around and look the other requires you to look down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miter Gauge Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Tuner vs Tuning Fork. There ya go! Do you REALLY think two less winds around a tuning peg is evolutionary? If so you must have shat yourself when the first strap lock came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyfirst Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Do you REALLY think two less winds around a tuning peg is evolutionary? If so you must have shat yourself when the first strap lock came along. Do you really think that three posts in a row is validating your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miter Gauge Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Do you really think that three posts in a row is validating your argument? Of course. Three posts in a row are essential to winning arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crunchtime Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 Of course. Three posts in a row are essential to winning arguments. Close but no cigar. You need 5 in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SexWithRobots Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 One disadvantage only:They can strip if they're clamped too tightly, or, like a moron, you try to stretch your strings with them like you do with standard tuners. You'll carve some nice grooves in the clamp, and it'll no longer lock the way it should.Other than that: no real disadvantages at all. I've installed them on a few hard-tailed guitars before, just to speed up string changes. They work just fine. So how do you stretch your strings?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RiffDaemon Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 So how do you stretch your strings?? I was wondering about that. I stretch mine, but I just looked at the instructions on Grover's website, and they mention nothing about stretching ... and they also mention leaving enough slack for one rotation of the post. So ..... I'll try not stretching next time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 23, 2012 Members Share Posted September 23, 2012 easy =/= essential. nah when something costs so little and makes such a big difference, it becomes essential to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SexWithRobots Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Im still looking for an answer to my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mamberg Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 locking for me - and with a gibson!!?!?!?!?!?!??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spaced Out Ace Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 On one of my guitars, I have locking turners, which I tighten down, wrap the string around the "back" of the tuning post for the "string locking method", and then tune it up with 2-4 wraps depending on the string. Maybe it's overkill or I'm doing it wrong, but it works for me. I do the same with the other guitar sans locking tuners, but skip the tightening down process as there is nothing to tighten down. Locking tuners > you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Where do you get them for $40-50 a set? GFS, they're very good quality and are about $40/set after you add shipping etc... I've had great luck with them, they work exactly as they're supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Festus Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 I see that I'm in the minority, but I don't like the damn things, and I certainly haven't found them to offer any more tuning stability than the non-locking variety. I wanted to like them, but it didn't work out. Oh well. I'll live with the dinosaur technology that I'm used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members "sasquatch" Posted September 24, 2012 Members Share Posted September 24, 2012 Grover mini rotos on my guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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