Members Tom B. Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Are the Epi VJ's loud enough for small gigs (eg clubs and bars etc) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grantus Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 They're pretty loud, but I'm not sure it'd cut it if you had a heavy-handed drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudder1310 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 There are things called microphones. You can place one in front of the cab of your small amp and play it through the PA. Works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tulk1 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 There are things called microphones. You can place one in front of the cab of your small amp and play it through the PA. Works great. Huh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trill Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Depends on what speakers you're running it through. Also, how small is "small"? Are we talking like a 50-person-max-capacity-closet, or a 2-300 person small club? Also, do you need a clean sound? Do you play rhythm, lead, or both? Are you hitting it with any pedals? I've played plenty of gigs with my Carvin Vintage 16 on the 5-watt setting, without micing, and with volume to spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bennintexas Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 there arent much cleans when its dimed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tulk1 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 there arent much cleans when its dimed... Corrected sentiment would be "there aren't any cleans when it's dimed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Set it to sound how you want, and let the mic, pa, and monitors do the rest. You will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrkirkish Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 Put it on a 4x12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted December 18, 2007 Members Share Posted December 18, 2007 IMO 15W tube and a 12" speaker is the mimimum you can get away with unmic'ed in a small gig. Even then, you're not going to be sparkling clean and a hard hitting drummer will own you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Corrected sentiment would be "there aren't any cleans when it's dimed".There aren't any cleans beyond 4-5, just ratty overdrive. It wouldn't be nearly loud enough for me and we aren't that loud onstage. I'd have to fold some back through the sidefills and or wedges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Put it on a 4x12.Does it magically gain wattage this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Procreatur Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 no, it gains volume of air. 4x12's move 4 times the air as 1. it gains perceived volume, which may or may not be enough. i know mine is loud through my 2x12, but wouldn't gig it cause i can't roll the volume off enough and still be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 no, it gains volume of air. 4x12's move 4 times the air as 1. it gains perceived volume, which may or may not be enough. i know mine is loud through my 2x12, but wouldn't gig it cause i can't roll the volume off enough and still be heard.Ya, I know what it does and doesn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tom B. Posted December 19, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Thanks for all the advice. My band's just getting its act together and i'll probably be running an overdrive pedal. Would i be better to get a 30W solid state (I really like the Orange Crush 30r) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BootRoots Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 IMO 15W tube and a 12" speaker is the mimimum you can get away with unmic'ed in a small gig. Even then, you're not going to be sparkling clean and a hard hitting drummer will own you. bah....I gig a princeton reverb regularly and it does just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 Would i be better to get a 30W solid state (I really like the Orange Crush 30r) ? No. I don't want to get into the science of it, but 30 watts SS does not sound nearly as loud as 30 watts tube. I had an 80 watt SS way back in the day, and it couldn't keep up with my buddy's 50 watt marshall. If the places you play have a decent sound system, you will be fine. Do you know what supporting equipment will be available to you at the places you plan on playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Krashpad Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 There are things called microphones. You can place one in front of the cab of your small amp and play it through the PA. Works great. Except that some small places have PA's that are vocals or vocals/drums only, and amps are expected to get by on stage volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 bah....I gig a princeton reverb regularly and it does just fine. From my experience playing bars and smaller spaces, I would not want less than 15W and a 12" unless I've got my amp mic'ed. My DRRI is pretty much the smallest amp I'd be comfortable using, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trill Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 bah....I gig a princeton reverb regularly and it does just fine. Yeah, Mr. Metallica is usually on point, but I don't get his logic here, either. Maybe all the drummers I've played with have been weenies, but I've gigged plenty of times, with both volume and gain to spare, with my little Carvin, and I've never had a problem being heard in practice or in smallish (50-200max cap) venues. Of course, I don't need super-clean sounds, and my amp has a pretty efficient speaker. Perhaps the OP would be better off with something a bit beefier, like a used Twin Reverb, which can be found for ~$500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhall Posted December 19, 2007 Members Share Posted December 19, 2007 There are things called microphones. You can place one in front of the cab of your small amp and play it through the PA. Works great. In fact they sound better than great!!! They really come alive from proximity effect with an SM-57. Same goes for those Champion-600s. Don't really care for 'em un-miced, But run 'em through a P.A. and it's tone heaven to me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BootRoots Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Perhaps the OP would be better off with something a bit beefier, like a used Twin Reverb, which can be found for ~$500. and plenty of clean head room for any club, and probably clubs 3 blocks away from the venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Thanks for all the advice. My band's just getting its act together and i'll probably be running an overdrive pedal.Would i be better to get a 30W solid state (I really like the Orange Crush 30r) ? That's kind of odd to only have those two choices, don't you think? There's a l;ot of ground between there. There are 15-20 watt tube combos that can be had for $200-300 that sound good. Another idea would be a new/used Vox AD30VT. Some killer tones and they are far louder than a Valve Jr or Blackheart 5 watter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Yeah, Mr. Metallica is usually on point, but I don't get his logic here, either. Maybe all the drummers I've played with have been weenies, but I've gigged plenty of times, with both volume and gain to spare, with my little Carvin, and I've never had a problem being heard in practice or in smallish (50-200max cap) venues. Of course, I don't need super-clean sounds, and my amp has a pretty efficient speaker.Perhaps the OP would be better off with something a bit beefier, like a used Twin Reverb, which can be found for ~$500. How little is your Carvin? The drummer I usually play with does have big shells on his main kit and is a pretty hard hitter (in a good way). I do like to be able to get at least *close* to a pure clean though, and I've found 15 tube watts is my minimum in small setting. If I had a VJ or an Princeton it would be a bit dirty for my liking. I wouldn't take my Peavey Classic 20 (15W 1x10") out with that drummer, although it has worked okay with others. I suppose it depends on your style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chairborne Posted December 20, 2007 Members Share Posted December 20, 2007 Except that some small places have PA's that are vocals or vocals/drums only, and amps are expected to get by on stage volume. Which is pretty much every place I ever play. You other guys are gigging in the lap of sonic luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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