Members boosh Posted April 19, 2007 Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 Well, ya have now, you Yoor-oh-pee-in, you! ;) :) (he said, whistling through his only two teeth) I'm guessing Europe is somewhar's east of Waco, right? booshy, we have a town called "Nederland" near Houston. Izzat where you from? Nope,... I live in the old country,.. the REAL Netherlands. We Dutch brought you things as: Scalping,Slaves,Segregation,Mennonites,Penssylvania Dutch,Van Halen,Rutger Hauer,Jan de Bont,Paul Verhoeven,Emmanuele,Rebecca Romijn-Stamos,Licorice,Dutch Treats,Double Dutching,PanCakes and SantaClaus. Uhmmmm,.. nope sorry,.. we didn't bring you those things,.. we invented your frikkin country and half of it's placenames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted April 19, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 Anyone ever notice all the wierd stuff going on in the background of the Fleetwood Mac "Rumous" albume? What things do you hear, Rabid? I'll have to listen more closely. Speaking of FM, I never DID understand what the single"Tusk" was all about.... It was a great record, I owned the 45 single back in the day... but made no sense to me. "Why don't you ask him...what's goin' on?"(plus)sounds of crowds milling about(plus)an out-of-tune football marching band(plus)"Tusk!" [What on earth??] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted April 19, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 Nope,... I live in the old country,.. the REAL Netherlands. We Dutch brought you things as: Scalping,Slaves,Segregation,Mennonites,Penssylvania Dutch,Van Halen,Rutger Hauer,Jan de Bont,Paul Verhoeven,Emmanuele,Rebecca Romijn-Stamos,Licorice,Dutch Treats,Double Dutching,PanCakes and SantaClaus. Uhmmmm,.. nope sorry,.. we didn't bring you those things,.. we invented your frikkin country and half of it's placenames. And you guys have painted lots and lots o' purty pitchers. Oh, and you forgot Xaviera Hollander. ;) ;) Tulips? Hans Brinker and his Silver Skates? The Little Dutch Boy Who Put His Finger In The Dike? THE TEE SET!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadiationNation Posted April 19, 2007 Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 I think "bad production" is a better phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members linwood Posted April 19, 2007 Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 It's when I'm lookin' at my racks to see what's not blinking and then I play parts with them and add more me to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 Well, ya have now, you Yoor-oh-pee-in, you! ;) :) (he said, whistling through his only two teeth) I'm guessing Europe is somewhar's east of Waco, right? No, rather above Waco, maybe east of eden, but certainly near the mountain top, there where everyone is eating fondue, and driving only down to the valley with ski for checking the protected bank account, of course always the mandatory rifle over the shoulder and wearing a Rolex, and constantly eating some schnaps chocolate, and surfing porn every free minute when not occupied with consulting international clientel on tax saving... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steveg Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 Wow, this really could not be stated any better: ...when production elements obscure or overwhelm the performance of the song, or misrepresent its character. !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tradivoro1 Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 I would say overproduction is when people start doing things to a recording because they can, not because it needs it and not because it's going to add anything that's going to improve the quality of the music.... I remember one article in the late 90s where the producer decided to eq everything drastically different in the bridge of the song, cause it was his first recording in the computer, and he could do these things... Doing something because you can, not because it needs it... However, since at the beginning of this post, you seemed to be listening to a recording because you thought you could learn something about vocal recording, I would recommend The King's Singers, a 6 part male acapella group... You may want to start with Good Vibrations... This is one of their pop records... You may also want to check out the Four Freshmen... Although they usually have a rhythm section, and they're jazz oriented, they have great harmonies... And we wouldn't have the beach boys if it wasn't for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tedster Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 For me, overproduction is anything above and beyond what's necessary to enhance the song. AM radio pop hits in the 60s and 70s (not to mention since) were a prime example. They'd take a song, add an orchestra, horn section, 3000 backup singers...when the song was supposed to be performed by a 5 piece band. It was as if the producers were saying..."We've got one of those "devil rock" songs here, but if we layer it with enough horse crap, it'll sound like Sinatra, so mom and pop America will let their kids buy it". Everyone did it. One could safely argue that a lot of the Beatles music was overproduced, but it worked well (except maybe "Long and Winding Road"). Sometimes I like overproduction..sometimes it's just a means used to try to polish a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 Pretty much everything being produced today is overproduced. A good song plays itself on a guitar or piano. However, when done right, overproduction really elevates a song to another level of emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 I just listen to the 18 tracks on the CD versionCool Water1999 CD BMG International 26051 a reissue of the 1959 longplay Cool Water RCA LSP 2118. The transfer is top quality, consumer call that audiophil.It sounds beautiful and the music is great! Don't see what there should be "overproduced," nor do I feel the instrumentation is to cheezy or too big. Actually it is not an big orchestra, but one hornist and a very small string section..Can't recall any. I may would call music overproduced when it contains over the top unnecessary content, for example a duduk solo in a spanish pop song, or a scottish pipe in a viennese waltz, or having a 20 second local radio spot with a netto/netto budget of $1227.50 mixed by Bruce for $9'995.55. I just listened to the two versions available on MusicMatch's On Demand. One is the "single version" and it is REALLY stripped down, a pair of fiddles and a couple guitars. The other version is clearly still old and scratchy, I'm guessing late 40s or early 50s, at the latest. It's still might cool, though, I'm sure this is NOT the one on your CD... for one thing, the string section is maybe 4 fiddles and a bull, max and they stay out of the way, by and large. But the SotP were recording under that name for years and I would be surprised if there weren't multiple stereo versions, etc. This highlights a problem as insidious as it is natural... as an artist's star fades faster than that of his "big hit" he's tempted to remake it over and over again... Not only is the first usually the most beloved -- it's all too often the best. (Though I have to say, of the two versions I'm listening to, the non-single, more "produced" version is the more familiar and it's pretty satisfying. (BTW... the fiddles pretty much never really reappear after the intro.) But the sad result is that what was probably a great song and performance is "diluted" in people's memories by these lesser, subsequent versions. _______________ I think "overproduction" completely depends on context... the Sex Pistols with the London Philarmonic -- that would likely be a bit over the top (though likely fun)... But the Stones's heavy duty augmentation of "You Can't Always Get What You Want" somehow works in all the ways it shouldn't... And then there's stuff that is to the manor house born... Can anyone imagine Electric Light Orchestra's El Dorado without all the hoo haw... it may well be overproduction but it's what the album's all about... and it's transcendant in that respect. _______________ Re: the Beatles I LOVED their early work... and even up through Magical Mystery Tour I'm liking the production -- but after that... bleh... mostly... And have you ever heard George Martin's work WITHOUT the Beatles -- talk about missing synergism... Lennon and McCartney without each other could still make some compelling music... but Martin without the Beatles... particularly on his Beatles covers... ohmygosh what lame stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 Out of tune and out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 By the way... I'm now listening to a version of "Tumbling Tumbleweeds"... it's clearly a vintage recording -- but it has a small orchestra in back of it, complete with woodwinds and pedal steel... but the strings are scratchy and rootsy as heck... I'm guessing the session is from someplace in the immediate postwar, late 40's era but it might even be earlier. (I should look up the history of the song.) Doing a little research, I see that the original Cool Water and Tumbleweeds are even older, dating back to Leonard Slye's period with them. (You probably remember Leonard under his solo name... Roy Rogers.) Coming up a little later in my queue... the Sons' antiwar tune, "Old Man Atom"... haven't heard that one in a while. "Peace in the world -- or the world in pieces..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 Uhmmmm,.. nope sorry,.. we didn't bring you those things,.. we invented your frikkin country and half of it's placenames. Lekker... ek het ook vir twee jaar uin Suid-Afrika geweet. Baie Nederlandse, ek-se, Meneer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Cowbell on every track? There may be a word for that other than "overproduction"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Wow, this really could not be stated any better: ...when production elements obscure or overwhelm the performance of the song, or misrepresent its character. !!!! That's so good he should be made co-moderator!! That is a really strong definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Synonym Music Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 I like BT and listen to a lot of his older music, but when Emotional Technology was released my first though upon listening was "EmotionLESS Technology." Somnambulist was the hit single and I wished for a non-remixed version. The entire CD was a show of what can be done with sound rather than what can be done with music. When the process becomes more important than the song, the music is overproduced.Robert Damn. I'll second... Well, I'll third it anyway. :phil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boosh Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Lekker... ek het ook vir twee jaar uin Suid-Afrika geweet. Baie Nederlandse, ek-se, Meneer. That is actually understandable for us dutch. I've talked to South African people lots of times and we both keep talking in our own language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the stranger Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Wow, this really could not be stated any better:...when production elements obscure or overwhelm the performance of the song, or misrepresent its character.!!!! So what did Twisted Sister do??!! Re-re-overproduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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