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  • Advice needed Neck crack relationship - live with it or break up?

    Quelle surprise after my last house move

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    Of all my guitars I can't believe this has happened to my LP standard .png" alt=":smileywink:" title="Smiley Wink" />

    But there it is, both sides about the same.

    Rather like balancing a glass on the edge of a table I keep thinking "Is she gonna go?" It's a test of nerves.

     

    The question is should I leave it and hope Or do like a doc and break completely it to reset the bone?

    And if we go for a breakup what is the best glue to use?

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    Uh oh.

    Gotta get that fixed before it whiplashes you.

    Can be glued they say...the ubiquitous "they".

     

     

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    • #3

      Chordite wrote:

      Quelle surprise after my last house move

      Neck Crack.jpg

      Of all my guitars I can't believe this has happened to my LP standard .png" alt=":smileywink:" title="Smiley Wink" />

      But there it is, both sides about the same.

      Rather like balancing a glass on the edge of a table I keep thinking "Is she gonna go?" It's a test of nerves.

       

      The question is should I leave it and hope Or do like a doc and break completely it to reset the bone?

      And if we go for a breakup what is the best glue to use?


      How?Just How?

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      • #4

        Get it fixed, and get it fixed QUICK! DO NOT be in the same room when it gets repaired, because, as you know, it's a sickening, gut wrenching sound, when it get's broken fully to repair it.

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        • #5

          Okay tuned down a full tone (which enables some amazing bends btw . I am contemplating prying the split open a little and syringing copious ammounts of glue into the gap and clamping it up for a week.

          Like Sully does here:

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          • #6

            Fix it or have it done professionally.   If it remains a "green stick" fracture like that (meaning that it hasn't come all the way off) you have the advantage that the pieces will stay in alignment - other wise you are going to have to build some very good clamping cauls.   There is also a good chance that it is split into the truss rod cavity - you will want to make sure to keep glue out of there.

            The best glue is hot hide, but you probably do not have that available (don't use the bottled hide glue in hardware stores).   Second best is either yellow AR (Titebond) or slow setting epoxy (not the 5 minute stuff).   Slow setting epoxy becomes very viscous and wicks its way down into the cracks.  I have some black slow set epoxy (from StewMac) that helps to color the crack.

            If you have any pieces of wood that chip out try to fit them in after you have made the main repair - medium super glue is good for that (don't use super glue for the break itself).    Once you get it glued up you will need to deal with cosmetics - if you are lucky you can drop fill with CA or thickened nitro (assuming that the finish on the guitar is nitrocellulose lacquer).   If you are very lucky you won't have to touch up the finish itself - that is a bitch on a neck like that.

            Here is a classic headstock crack on an acoustic Gibson, note that there is some wood missing

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            and the finished product.   Because of the age of the guitar the owner did not want a refinish or an attempt to make it perfect cosmetically - just structurally sound.

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            If you feel up to all of that, go for it, otherwise take it to a pro.    I just refretted an old Lester that hand a very poorly repaired headstock crack - it was rough feeling and they attempted to refinish the 'burst - basically made a mess of everything.

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            • #7

              Thanks guys, This has been very helpful. I think for this one I will go pro. What swung it is the complexity of the other side which, on closer inspection, runs  down toward  the third fret and then up the fingerboard join to the headstock.

              I've repaired clean headstock breaks before with success, even a 12 string, but this one is messyer,

              (then again I like a challenge, I like the drill and inject idea, If everything is warmed up to maybe 40 or 50 degrees C. epoxy should flow well. 3 or 4 strategic holes about 1.5mm and a similar size needle  )

               

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              • #8

                Thanks Freeman, a useful old site (reminds me of the late Sheldon Brown's bicycle site).

                I think the whole execise hinges (pun intended) on how much it opens  up once I have the strings off. As long as there is a gap glue can be got in without hassle. On the other hand if it is cracked like a plate with no separation there might be a problem

                One thing that bothers me is that He seems concerned about epoxy joints in hot cars, prefering hot hide glue, I always thought epoxy was pretty much rock solid once it has set. I've used it to repair thermostat housings on vintage cars which must be 105 to 110 degrees and it has held for years

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                • #9
                  @bleep: NEVERNEVERNEVERNEVER us Titebond 2 or 3. Only the original.
                  If you want a permanent bond, use epoxy. Titebond 2 or 3 still has all the other disadvantages of aliphatic resin but it will not release with heat or steam.
                  Plain old original Aliphatic resin (or hide glue)for when you want a repairable joint.
                  Epoxy for when you don't.
                  We're not in Kansas anymore.

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